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What Happens When....
Posted by uilleann on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 10:58 PM
I've sprayed my F-117A with a base primer (enamel based) and I'd like to use acrylics for the final topcoats. I've seen several conflicting reports that state spraying one type of paint over another results in bubbling and strange things like that - or nothing at all.

What are the things to avoid and/or watch out for when combining two or more types of base paint??

Bri~
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Posted by KJ200 on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 2:36 AM
Uillean, I think as long as you allow the base coat to dry fully, ie 24 - 48 hours then you should be fine.

I've used both types of paint over the other without any problems.

Karl

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Posted by MusicCity on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 5:28 AM
It will work just fine. I use enamel primer all the time without any problems.

What people are talking about is that some paints are more aggressive than others. The general rule is laquer, then enamel, then acrylic. Laquer is the most "Aggressive" and can dissolve enamel or acrylic. Enamel is less and won't hurt laquer but can dissolve acrylic. Acrylic won't hurt either of them.

A lot of people have told me that they paint enamel over acrylic without any problems, but I haven't tried it myself. Just repeating what I've been told. As Karl said, I think the key is to let everything cure thoroughly.
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Posted by qmiester on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 6:14 AM
If you let the base coat dry completly, you should have no problems with applying acrylics over enamals or vice versa. If you have any doubt as to if the base coat is dry, sniff it - if it still has a paint odor, then it's not dry yet even though you can handle it.
Quincy
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Posted by uilleann on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 7:17 AM
Great. Gotcha. So far, my main base coat has ben dyring for over a week, so I think I'll make it here!

Thanks!

B~
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Posted by leemitcheltree on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:12 AM
Bri -
I've sprayed automotive type acrylic for years with no problems - even over Tamiya acrylic and enamel primers. Mad, you say? Possibly..........I do this mainly because I make a lot of civilian airliners and cars that all have gloss finishes that I need to polish out - the auto stuff takes canding and polishing very well.
I always allow the primers to dry completely, and I apply several "dust" coats of thinned auto acrylic - if you dust the coats on, the "hot" thinner has a little time to flash off before it hits the surface of the model, preventing the hot paint from attacking the primer.
After several dust coats and adequate drying time (as Quincy says, if you can smell it, it's not dry), a thin wet coat is then applied, allowed to dry, then another wet coat. This usually does the trick.
I've never had a problem with the auto acrylic attacking either the primer coats or the styrene. I guess I've tailored my spraying techniques to avoid the normal damage.

Cheers, LeeTree
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 6:25 PM
I also use auto acrylics and laquers over an enamel (Humbrol) grey primer and never have any problems. There is only one rule to remember here....let the enamel cure completely!. I prime all my parts and let them dry for at least a week, and if they still smell like paint i give them a few more days. I find the Humbrol primer is practically bulletproof once cured and i can spray whatever i like over it.
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