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Problem with Future clear coat + Vallejo Arctic Blue

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Problem with Future clear coat + Vallejo Arctic Blue
Posted by ExNASATerry on Saturday, October 31, 2020 6:38 PM

Hi all,

I painted my 1/24th 1969 Z28 with Vallejo Air Arctic Blue Metal. It came out great: very rich, metallic color. I then gave it a couple of coats of Future clear. However, any liquid that touches the surface quickly discolors (fades) the finish, even distilled water. Obviously, I can't apply decals with this situation. I've never had a problem with any other color, so I'm guessing it's something about the Arctic metal paint, though why the Future isn't protecting it is beyond me.

Any ideas? I'll have to repaint, but should I try covering with a different clear coat? I'd hate to resort to applying the decals, then masking them and repainting again.

Thanks.

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    May 2020
Posted by Cowboy-Z on Friday, November 6, 2020 5:51 PM

It sounds similar to most chrome paint applications and how they require a (carefully applied)water based clear coat or it loses its shine.  

I wonder what rocket scientists say to co-workers when one of them doesn't get it?

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    April 2020
Posted by Eaglecash867 on Friday, November 6, 2020 6:17 PM

How long did you let the Future cure?

"You can have my illegal fireworks when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers...which are...over there somewhere."

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    October 2020
Posted by ExNASATerry on Friday, November 6, 2020 9:26 PM

About two weeks. I had coated the hood, then let it sit while I worked on body details and the interior.

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    November 2018
Posted by oldermodelguy on Saturday, November 7, 2020 5:08 AM

I've had good luck with Model Master sealer for their matalizer paints, which is highly thinned lacquer basically, to seal any paint really. Great product to dust in a couple of light coats before decals IMO. Stinks for a really short time, dries very rapidly and seals well. If that or regular clear lacquer won't seal up that paint you have then I have no clue what will.

That said I've done water tests with Tamiya clear acrylic over regular Vallejo Model Air paint and all was well. But I don't own their metal paints or I'd conduct that test as well.

 

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Saturday, November 7, 2020 5:27 AM

ExNASATerry

About two weeks. I had coated the hood, then let it sit while I worked on body details and the interior.

 

Wow.  Two weeks should have been plenty of time.  Sorry you had it ruin your paint job...I think we all know how much that hurts.  You know, the more I use Future, the more I think its really not good for anything other than maybe filling swirl marks and microscratches on clear parts.  Had a partial disaster just the other day on the 1/32 F-16CJ I'm in the process of weathering due to Future not doing its job of protecting the paint underneath.  Had this flawless, grey paint job all decaled...one coat of Future before the decals, one coat after so I could use Tamiya Panel Line Accenter and enamel thinner (paint underneath the two coats of Future was Model Master Enamel).  Started the panel line accenting on a small area of the nose, and after two swipes of a cotton swab that was barely damp with enamel thinner, the paint underneath the Future started coming off.  So, needless to say, I'm searching for a new, intermediate clear coat...or maybe I'll find one that is good enough to be a final coat too.  I'm really liking the MRP line of paints, so I'm probably going to give their clear coats a try too.  The more I use it, the more I think Future should be left in the past...there are much better options.  Heh...sorry about the rant...but you can see, I feel your pain.

"You can have my illegal fireworks when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers...which are...over there somewhere."

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    October 2019
Posted by Stevozrex on Saturday, November 7, 2020 9:28 PM

I had this happen on an aircraft and thought I botched it but went ahead with the rest of the decals anyways when I sealed them with another coat of future the cloudiness went away - I thoguht the decal set was the reaction??? Just a thoguht

 

The Wisconsin

  • Member since
    October 2020
Posted by ExNASATerry on Sunday, November 8, 2020 1:13 AM

Yeah, I might try some other clear coats.

I suspect the problem might have been contaminants in the brush. I do clean them after every use, but I did a test on some non-visible parts of the model (bottom of the interior tub) using a brand-new brush, and the water did not discolor the paint at all. Nor did Micro-Set or Micro Sol. Maybe there was some kind of residue leftover from the brush cleaner or chrome paint or something.

I've applied new paint and Pledge (aka Future) and will--very carefully--try again, with a new brush.

Thanks for all the ideas!

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    October 2020
Posted by ExNASATerry on Wednesday, November 11, 2020 1:30 PM
Yep, I think I've confirmed it was some kind of contamination in the brush. Using a new brush to apply the decals and the Micro-Set/Micro-Sol, the decals went on fine, with no discoloration! Lesson learned. Thanks for the help, everyone.
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  • From: Longmont, Colorado
Posted by Cadet Chuck on Wednesday, November 11, 2020 1:43 PM

2 cents

This is just my opinion, but... "Future" is for floors, not for models.  

I stopped messing with it, years ago.

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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    October 2020
Posted by ExNASATerry on Wednesday, November 11, 2020 5:01 PM

I've also had that nagging thought. What do you recommend as an alternative?

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  • From: Longmont, Colorado
Posted by Cadet Chuck on Wednesday, November 11, 2020 6:34 PM

I still use Future for canopies.  For painted surfaces, I rely on the clear coat from the manufacturer who made the color coat.  

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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Posted by BrandonK on Wednesday, November 11, 2020 7:29 PM

Cadet Chuck

I still use Future for canopies.  For painted surfaces, I rely on the clear coat from the manufacturer who made the color coat.  

 

I completely agree with this.

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