SEARCH FINESCALE.COM

Enter keywords or a search phrase below:

When Is Paint Bad?

1731 views
9 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    October 2019
  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
When Is Paint Bad?
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Sunday, August 8, 2021 10:52 AM

Paint;

    This product can be aggravating even for pro's. I can remember working for De-Vilbiss and getting reports of Paint Pots exploding because of paint clogs. What is a Paint-Pot?

     Just as the name says, A pot into which you pour your MIXED paint and Appropriate Retarders and Hardeners( Today) and put the lid on like a pressure cooker with latches then pressurise and shoot with a Gun out of a 15 or 25 foot hose. Usually 5 U.S.gallons.

    Well, They are like pressure cookers in that they are supposed to have an overpressure relief valve. Don't forget to clean before each loading!

      Now, getting to the subject. Many times the Pot went Boom because of Lumps. Lumps? Yup! Not from bad mixing, but lumps of Pigment that solidified beyond the mixability of the product. This usually came from age of the paint.

    How does that apply to modelers? Think about it for a second. How long has that bottle or can you just purchased spent in a Container, then a Warehouse then a Truck rumbling down the highway on a 100 degree day?

    Model paints like Three things, Cool, Dry, and Dark areas. Why? Heat affects not only the viscosity of the product and it's components, it also affects the Color Purity. So you ask okay what is the paint made from. First, in the trade you have a vehicle(The liquid holding everything in suspension) This can be Varnish, Enamel or the liquids used for Acrylics. I don't think the last is water by the way.

     Now in that, per batch they add Pigment. This can also be in liquid or powder form. Sometimes 500 Gallons at a time. Mix well-usually for a relaxed hour or so. You don't mix violently when building the product. Why ? Miniscule bubbles and clumps form along the side of the vessel if you do. They do sometime escape into the bottling or canning process.

      Okay Mr. Consumer, You have bought your paint at your favorite Hobby Supply store. Now, Yay! You even got the color you wanted! Shake it till your arm is sore, Right ? NO!! Even the old Pactra( Defunct) and other brands recommend Stirring thoroughly! Why? Back to the bubbles and lumps again. Paint will settle into it's separate components if stored way to long. Especially if it is exposed to extreme temperature shifts!

    That is when you see layers of liquid in the bottle. This means the Pigment,Carrier and Vehicle have seperated. The stuff on the very bottom is pigment.The thin layer is Carrier and the milky or in the case of enamel, The Light whiskey colored stuff is the vehicle. If your paint is more than five years old. Then usually in that shape you would be wise to considering discarding it. Now if you can stir gently and eventually get to the bottom of the bottle, there's a chance You can still use it!

     Notice, I said Chance. That extreme heat and cold will be a factor in salvaging it. Don't think just by adding a little thinner it will be okay! The pigment has clumped.Now you have to break up every bit of the clumps you have broken up from the bottom. Once it's the consistancy close to where you recognise as paint, try this.

   Take a brush and get a scrap of plastic and put a brush stroke on it. If it doesn't flow nice and smooth you will know. There will be a patchy brush stroke on the scrap. Now take the bottle and cap. Clean the top well, Better than you ever have! take the lid and clean out the whole thing with lacquer thinner. Okay, now what you have is a clean bottle full of paint with an air gap. That's alright at this stage. Put the lid on as tightly as you can.

     Okay ,here's where you get to exercise your arm! Or Make or buy a paint shaker for model sized containers! Shake the Hades out of it for an hour. Then let it rest for 30 minutes. Come back Open up the bottle and do the brush test again. If you get the same results, Discard the paint, clean out the bottle with lacquer thinner and you have a mixing bottle at least.

     See my next-After admonishment post!

    

      Enough Already. You got the Message right?

 

 

  • Member since
    June 2021
Posted by rocketman2000 on Sunday, August 8, 2021 11:32 AM

When Testors enamels go bad, I have had the whole remaining paint come out as a soft pad stuck to the stirring stick!  Time to get a new jar.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

  • Member since
    April 2020
Posted by Eaglecash867 on Sunday, August 8, 2021 11:55 AM

No matter what you do with paint you're discarding, it would be a good idea to check local laws before dumping anything in your toilet.

"You can have my illegal fireworks when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers...which are...over there somewhere."

  • Member since
    August 2005
  • From: Mansfield, TX
Posted by EdGrune on Sunday, August 8, 2021 12:07 PM

See the New Braunfels website for disposal of household hazardous waste.

Household Hazardous Waste | New Braunfels, TX - Official Website (nbtexas.org)

Your approach to just dump it down the toilet is at best against community standards and at worst likely illegal

  • Member since
    July 2004
  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, August 8, 2021 1:34 PM

Eaglecash867

No matter what you do with paint you're discarding, it would be a good idea to check local laws before dumping anything in your toilet.

 

I just let it dry out into a rock in the jar, then drop it into the garbage.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

  • Member since
    April 2020
Posted by Eaglecash867 on Sunday, August 8, 2021 1:47 PM

stikpusher
I just let it dry out into a rock in the jar, then drop it into the garbage.

Pretty much what I do when its necessary.  I didn't really word my post correctly, but it was aimed more at the false assumption that adding Dawn to a toxic item like paint makes it safe or legal to flush it down the toilet or dump it on local plant life when traveling in an RV.  Yes, Dawn is used to break up oil and remove it from the feathers and fur of wildlife, but nobody then takes that waste water and dumps it on the ground or in their toilet.  I think Ed Grune said it much better than I did.  It was irresponsible, and possibly illegal advice to be giving on a public forum.

"You can have my illegal fireworks when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers...which are...over there somewhere."

  • Member since
    October 2019
  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Tuesday, August 10, 2021 9:49 AM

Okay Guys and Ladies!

 I stand Admonished! And I accept that! Nowadays, I do another thing. I open the Bottle and let it really dry out then Dig it out, Put it aside for pickup in a marked Hazardous Waste Container and then retain the bottles for re-use. There is a deposit site for the container at Home Depot!

  • Member since
    January 2021
Posted by PFJN2 on Tuesday, August 10, 2021 5:08 PM

Hi,

I fon't know about paints but its apparently pretty easy to tell when potato salad goes bad...

FS

  • Member since
    July 2014
  • From: Franklin Wi
Posted by Bakster on Thursday, August 12, 2021 9:12 AM

PFJN2

Hi,

I fon't know about paints but its apparently pretty easy to tell when potato salad goes bad...

FS

 

Recently, I was at a disabled friends house to visit and she offered up some cheesecake. As long as I would get it for us from the fridge, that is.

No problem. I grab them, hand it to her and sit down.

I says, "Oh! Lime! When did you get that?"

Normally it would be chocolate or cherry.

As I am about to take a bite she says, "That's not lime! Thats mold!"

OMG. 

Not missing a beat she says, "There should be some fresher ones in there."

Oh man.

Anyhow, interesting discussion there TB. I have nothing to add.

  • Member since
    April 2020
Posted by Eaglecash867 on Thursday, August 12, 2021 9:20 AM

How do you know when herring has gone bad?  Does it start to smell good? Clown

"You can have my illegal fireworks when you pry them from my cold, dead fingers...which are...over there somewhere."

JOIN OUR COMMUNITY!

Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account.

SEARCH FORUMS
FREE NEWSLETTER
By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. View our Privacy Policy.