I need Iwata! but which one???

mass tactical

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February 2003

Posted by mass tactical on Monday, April 26, 2004 1:31 PM

I own both an HP-C and an Eclipse BCS. In my opinion the Eclipse is the best all around choice especially if you are using acrylics. The Eclipse is a little easier to clean which is a plus. Another big advantage to the Eclipse is the width of the spray pattern which allows for faster coverage. The HP-C is really good when you are doing fine lines for camo patterns on 1/72 scale aircraft. Hope this helps.

Mike McShea

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 26, 2004 11:11 AM

Greg, beautiful A-7! Fujimi?

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maddafinga

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March 2003
From: Broken Arrow, Oklahoma

Posted by maddafinga on Monday, April 26, 2004 8:22 AM

That is more a paint thing than an airbrush thing. I think that our man Greg posted an experiment a while back where he used a paint retarter with some acrylics and it went a long way towards stopping that tip dry. It might be worth looking into. Do a forum search on paint retarders and see if you find it.

Madda Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle. -- Leonardo Da Vinci Tact is for those who lack the wit for sarcasm.--maddafinga

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 26, 2004 5:41 AM

Thanks MikeV and plasticmod992

Now does any have problems spraying Polly scale with Iwatta's.

I had a realy bad time using them with my paasche VL. No matter what I did, and believe me I've done everything by the book, the paint (different colours) always dried around the needle and tip after JUST a few seconds of spraying. Does this tend to happen with Iwatta?

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plasticmod992

Member since
January 2003
From: The Hoosier State

Posted by plasticmod992 on Sunday, April 25, 2004 7:14 PM

Like others have stated here; the Hp-CS is probubly the best airbrush going for use with our hobby enamels, acrylics and laquers. I recommend and use the Iwata Revolution HP-CR for general spraying, basic single colors and general detail, the Eclipse HP-CS for small detail & camouflage. I recently used my HP-C with the .3mm tip to free-hand airbrush a Vietnam era "SEA" wrap-around camo scheme on a 1/72nd scale A-7D Corsair II. I too used to stear modelers away from the HP-C because it was long concidered not ideal for scale modeling due to it's small needle/ nozzle unable to handle our thicker viscosity model paint. After finding a formula that works well with the HP-C and acloplishing the very nice camo on my Corsair I can't say enough about the performance. Check out my web page for tips on spraying fine lines with the HP-C at this link:http://hometown.aol.com/ggwilliamsindy/gregsmodernjets.html
This what the HP-C is able to do for my 1/72nd scale modern jets without masking:

Greg Williams Owner/ Manager Modern Hobbies LLC Indianapolis, IN. IPMS #44084

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MikeV

Member since
April 2003
From: Hayward, CA

Posted by MikeV on Sunday, April 25, 2004 6:13 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by ShModeler

If a teflon seal is mandetory and there is no way I can buy somthing without it, do you know if the Eclipse's have it? (especially the HP-CS, HP-BS)

A Teflon seal is not mandatory, but it will last longer than other types.
The only Iwata's that have Teflon needle bearings from the factory are the Revolution line. The Eclipses do not have them, neither does the HP line (HP-A, HP-B, HP-C), and the Micron series does not have them either. They will run you an extra $15 from places like Coast Airbrush.

QUOTE: Also where do you think it's the best place to make the purchase? Best prices, available additional parts, etc.
I know of, Bearair, dixieart and greatmodels (squadron and a few others that I've checked dosent seem to have them, partially or at all).
Are there any other places besides those above?

For Iwata airbrushes I would say that Dixie, Bear Air and Coast Airbrush are your best bets.

Mike

“Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 25, 2004 1:37 PM

Hi! I got a few more of questions, if you please.

If a teflon seal is mandetory and there is no way I can buy somthing without it, do you know if the Eclipse's have it? (especially the HP-CS, HP-BS)

Also where do you think it's the best place to make the purchase? Best prices, available additional parts, etc.
I know of, Bearair, dixieart and greatmodels (squadron and a few others that I've checked dosent seem to have them, partially or at all).
Are there any other places besides those above?

Thanks! Big Smile [:D]

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MikeV

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April 2003
From: Hayward, CA

Posted by MikeV on Sunday, April 25, 2004 11:09 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by roosterfish

Iwata airbrushes also have Teflon seals. HP-CR has one.

Yes the Revolution line does, the rest don't. Wink [;)]

Mike

“Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon

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roosterfish

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November 2003
From: Stockton CA USA

Posted by roosterfish on Sunday, April 25, 2004 3:02 AM

Iwata airbrushes also have Teflon seals. HP-CR has one. Bow [bow]

Winners never quit; quitters never win.

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MikeV

Member since
April 2003
From: Hayward, CA

Posted by MikeV on Sunday, April 25, 2004 1:03 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by roosterfish

If you consider using a enamel now or in the future consider getting a airbrush with a teflon seal.

Like Badgers do. Big Smile [:D]

Mike

“Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon

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MikeV

Member since
April 2003
From: Hayward, CA

Posted by MikeV on Sunday, April 25, 2004 1:02 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by 1337

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MikeV do you have a spare adaptor for the standard size compresser?

No I don't, sorry.

Mike

“Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:43 AM

or lacquors especially.

i just realized how cheap badger parts are: $16 for an 8 foot hose, $8 for a needle. these are canadian bucks. MikeV do you have a spare adaptor for the standard size compresser?

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roosterfish

Member since
November 2003
From: Stockton CA USA

Posted by roosterfish on Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:10 AM

I would cross out the HP-C with a conversion for modeling. It would be adapting an illustrators airbrush that sprays watery, ink-like paint that has a smaller nozzle and converting it to a modelers airbrush to spray thicker pigment paint.. Also the HP-C doesn't have a thinner-resistant teflon seal for the needle so you could run a chance of having the paint eat away the needle seal. If you use acrylic paints it would be no problem. I do use my HP-C with enamel and thinner, laquer thinner too, and have not had a problem but I'm taking my chances. I have a couple of back up airbrushes if I do ruin a seal it would be less of a risk of downtime for me. If I only had one airbrush I would worry a lot more.

If you consider using a enamel now or in the future consider getting a airbrush with a teflon seal.

Winners never quit; quitters never win.

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saltydog

Member since
July 2003
From: Lower Alabama

Posted by saltydog on Saturday, April 24, 2004 8:22 PM

again, the eclipse is the best OOB. i purchased the crown cap with mine and in my opinion, its a waste of hard earned money. take the money that you'd spend on the crown cap and invest in the hose (or adapter) quick connects. oh, and get ready for an truely excellent airbrush. also, i wouldn't invest in an extra needle and nozzle just yet. i'm fairly clumsy and disorganized and usually go through needles like q-tips, but i find the iwata needle and nozzle to be very durable. later.

Chris

The Origins of Murphy's Law: "In the begginning there was nothing, and it exploded."!!! _________ chris

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MikeV

Member since
April 2003
From: Hayward, CA

Posted by MikeV on Saturday, April 24, 2004 6:32 PM

Yes, they come without an airhose and no, that Paasche airhose will not fit without an adaptor.
You don't need a crown cap or anything else as that airbrush as well as all of the others from different manufacturers are good enough OOB to paint anything with practice.

Mike

“Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 24, 2004 6:14 PM

It seems I forget to ask another very inportant question!

These airbrushes comes solely as airbrushes and nothin else (ie, complete set like paasche VL), right?
If so, I would have to add an air hose and maybe some extra niddles and nozzles?
I would also like to add a crown air cap.
Would you suggest to get it all in one purchase or is it going to be good OOB?
Does any one of you guys know if it's possible to use an airhose from (a dead) Paasche with an Iwatta?
thanks!

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 24, 2004 6:09 PM

WOW! thank's for each and one of you guys!

I'm so impressed with the high quality of the people around here. I'm glad I can tell about you guys for my "real life" friends, what great people you are!
Cool [8D]

Well it seems it comes down into three Iwata's. in the lead is the Eclipse HP-CS, second Eclipse HP-BS, third place HP-C with the conversion set.

I would like to go the extra mile over the Revolution series.

Once again, Thanks guys!

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MikeV

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April 2003
From: Hayward, CA

Posted by MikeV on Saturday, April 24, 2004 2:22 PM

I would say the Badger 100 LG is capable of finer lines than the Revolution series of Iwata's since the 100 LG is an illustration airbrush.

Mike

“Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 24, 2004 1:52 PM

MikeV yeah i ordered the finest one, large cup, just wondering how it is compared to the revolution. it could probubly inflict some serious whoop @$$ to other airbrushes, and its cheaper too. now all i need are quick connect's and disconnects, and hoses... hint hint ;)

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saltydog

Member since
July 2003
From: Lower Alabama

Posted by saltydog on Friday, April 23, 2004 11:48 PM

my recommendation would be the eclipse hp-cs. i wouldnt buy the hp-c as it comes with a .3mm n/n combo and it was very difficult for me to achieve the results i was looking for with that small of a nozzle. i too looked at the charts on the iwata home page before i purchased the hp-c and purchased it because the chart said Excellent for hobbiest, enamels, and acrylics. however, i wasnt satisfied with my hp-c until i bought the .4mm conversion kit for it. i have the omni 5000, eclipse hp-cs, and the hp-c with the .4mm n/n combo and out of the 3 i love the hp-c the best for the comfort and wieght issue. the reason i recommend the hp-cs over the hp-c is because when the hp-cs gets to your front door, its ready to go to work. if you purchase the hp-c, your definetly want to get the .4mm n/n conversion kit that is offered as an option. later.

Chris

The Origins of Murphy's Law: "In the begginning there was nothing, and it exploded."!!! _________ chris

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MikeV

Member since
April 2003
From: Hayward, CA

Posted by MikeV on Friday, April 23, 2004 10:13 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by 1337

mikeV how fine is the needle on the badger 100 lg? i just ordered one

Did you order the fine needle? I don't know the size of the needle as that doesn't really matter. That needle and tip should be able to hold it's own against anything out there.

Mike

“Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon

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lito.sf

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March 2003
From: Portugal

Posted by lito.sf on Friday, April 23, 2004 10:07 PM

Sigman, i usit for everything, the cup is smaller but it holds 1ml of paint, to me is enough, but ive never built a big model so far, like a bomber. I belive the bs is a bit easier to handle and to clean if one day i need to refil it while painting, i think i can do it very rapidly with no problems at all, but never been there yet.

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lito.sf

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March 2003
From: Portugal

Posted by lito.sf on Friday, April 23, 2004 10:06 PM

Sigman, i usit for everything, the cup is smaller but it holds 1ml of paint, to me is enough, but ive never built a big model so far, like a bomber. I belive the bs is a bit easier to handle and to clean if one day i need to refil it while painting, i think i can do it very rapidly with no problems at all, but never been there yet.

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MikeV

Member since
April 2003
From: Hayward, CA

Posted by MikeV on Friday, April 23, 2004 7:33 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by ShModeler

First of all there is the Custom microne series
Here we have: B, SB, C
they range between 300-360$
According to Iwata-medea these are not recommended dor modelers.
Any thought why? maybe our colours are too thick?

Yes, the Micron requires really thin inks, acrylics and urethanes to reliably spray well.
It is very delicate and very expensive to buy parts for. Total overkill for modeling.

QUOTE: Second we have the Eclipse series
Here we have: BCS, SBS, CS, BS
they all about 105$
According to Iwata-medea these are Highly recommended for modelers.
Does any one of you use the BS or maybe the gravity feed is is too small?

The Eclipse is the best choice all around as it offers pretty much the same performance as the higher-priced Iwatas.

QUOTE: Third we have the more "simple" double action class the Revolution.
Here we have: BCR, CR, SAR
all around 60$

These are also a good choice but the Eclipse is capable of finer lines if you need them since it has a smaller tip/needle than the Revolution series.

QUOTE: Fourth we have the HP line
Here we have: HP-A, B, SB, HP-C, BC, BC2
Between 130-170$
And also the "HI performance" and "Hi line" series
Here we have: HP-A+, HP-B+, HP-C+, HP_SB+, HP-BC+.
Between: 153$-195$
They all look great and better then the eclipse BUT(!)...
the only one recommended for hobbiest is the HP-C+. However it is stated that it's "only" a "good match" for enamels and acrylic enamels, when the eclipse is a perfect match

The HP-C is a good airbrush but I don't feel it is worth the extra cost because the performance is not any better than the Eclipse.
I wouldn't waste my money on the Hi Line models either as they are not necessary unless you just have to have the newest toy on the block. Wink [;)]

QUOTE: So... I'm stumped

What do you recommend, and please give me your best calculated answers. Budget limit is 200$.

If you want an Iwata I would say you should go with either the Eclipse CS or the Revolution CR. The choice is yours.

Mike

“Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 23, 2004 6:54 PM

ShModeler, First of all, I congratulate you for having a choice of Iwata for your next purchase since this airbrush use the finest craftmanship that i know of. Big Smile [:D]

For your choice, HP-C, if you wanted to spend a little more, or HP-CS, if you have a tighter budget. whatever you decide, hope your happy on your purchase. Keep us posted.

lito.sf, do you use the HP-BS for deatiling and camouflage or can you use it for painting entire models since i've noticed that it has a smaller paint cup?

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rjkplasticmod

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February 2003
From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State

Posted by rjkplasticmod on Friday, April 23, 2004 6:46 PM

Hey 1337, in case you haven't noticed, we avoid using swear words on this Forum. If you must cuss, find another Site.

RICK

At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 23, 2004 4:43 PM

i say get the ch or the cr, the highline is great cause you have the mac valve for air control, the cr is good cause its cheap and really damn good.

mikeV how fine is the needle on the badger 100 lg? i just ordered one

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lito.sf

Member since
March 2003
From: Portugal

Posted by lito.sf on Friday, April 23, 2004 12:04 PM

The only diference between the cs and the bs is the size of the cup.
I have the bs and i love it, to me it's the perfect airbrush!

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 23, 2004 10:41 AM

HP-CS ALL THE WAY!!!! Big Smile [:D]

I was really shocked at the preformance of the CS and it's just an awsome AB. Here's my work with it. They black arrow is about the size of my thumbnail.

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