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  • Member since
    January 2015
  • From: Katy, TX
Non-Modeling Painting Question
Posted by Aggieman on Wednesday, January 17, 2024 5:30 PM

Howdy!  I am a software engineer by trade.  I typically work from home, but do have an office that I go to a couple of days a week.  And as it is, I work with a bunch of younger folks who have been given permission to construct a video game cabinet to house a high-end laptop loaded with just about every video game you might imagine.

The cabinet is built and has been custom painted.  They have been doing some test coats on scrap to determine how the gloss coat will go down before ruining a nice paint job.  I was asked to chip in with my two cents given they all know that I paint small models for fun.

So I'll ask this group, as everyone here is far more knowledgable than any oneline article might be.  The cabinet was built out of MDF.  It has a white primer coat of INSL-X Aqua Lock Plus, which the can says is 100% acrylic water base.  They have painted a base coat of Behr Dynasty interior matte, then painted the game decorations (think Pac-Man ghosts and similar stuff) with Liquitex Basics Acrylic and Sharpie oil-based paint pens.

The clear coat they have for that part of the paint job is Minwax Polycrylic Crystal Clear topcoat, which the can says is premium water-based.  I really thought that would be the right topcoat, but when they showed me their scrap paint test, I could see that one of the lighter blues (Liquitex) had bled onto the darker blue Behr.  They also stated that the product in that can of Minwax has a smell akin to acetone, which I am going to verify in the morning when I get to the office.

ChatGPT is suggesting this product as well as Krylong Colormaster Crystal Clear Gloss spray.  Given that this is being done in the office, I'm thinking the aerosol spray can is probably going to be a no-go.

I'm at a bit of an indecision here.  I really thought that Minwax product would be right for the use case.  Perhaps it's just a bad, or old, can.

Anyone done anything like this?  Can share what product might be best suited for this?

  • Member since
    November 2018
Posted by oldermodelguy on Sunday, January 21, 2024 5:02 AM

Any Polycryl I ever used was basically odorless, certainly not like acetone. Any artist oil paints straight from the original tube needs 6 months to cure till top coating. there are varnishes made for that. An exception might be alkyd oils in terms of cure time. The liquitex needs a few days till top coat.. Any brushing till fully cured will cause bleed with either product if done too soon..

The real mistake here is all the crossed product lines and not waiting for the cure time of the longest curing one.. Craft paints might have been ideal for the art work, very fast cure rate. But that product not being the case I'd opt for spray sealer top coat. You just need two fast wet coats to seal it all in. And yes they will likely stink for a couple of hours, at least anything I'd use would. But with spray you aren't brushing your colors together causing bleed, or less likely.

Your conundrum is satisfying the needs of all the types of products used, each is handled differently. But spray cuts out at least one abrasive factor, the literal rubbing.

  • Member since
    February 2024
Posted by tread684 on Thursday, February 1, 2024 9:55 AM

Hello Aggieman,

Testing before spraying the final piece was very smart. You have a mixture of different artwork there. I think you are seeing the acrylic clear coat reacting with the acrylic that was already applied. Whatever you spray make sure you wear a quality respirator.

I've done some professional woodworking and finishing in the past, I'm not an expert. Looks like you guys are considering products that are avilable at home depot which I am familar with. They are typically used finishing floors (read hand applied, and because the surface is level they self level and no one cares about a show car finish). Others which are sprayed smell a lot and require several coats to build up a protective film.

Cheapest, best looking option withoout disassembly -> Its all dependent on how "understanding" the higher-ups are regarding the fumes. If everyone clears out on a friday afternoon I think you could get this done with lacquer. It smells bad but if everyone brings their air purifier from covid/bathroon in, set them up, you could spray three coats in 90 minutes and the smell will be gone by monday AM. Do the office windows open?

I do not recommend the enamel clear coats as they take longer to dry and have same level of smell as lacquer.

Cheapest best looking option -> disassemble and have someone spray outside or in their garage. Lacquer is much more forgiving with colder temps. Having everything flat will make the process much easier. Again because lacquer flashes so fast there will be less time for bugs to land and dust to settle.


The next options are for a superior finish, read expensive.

Disassemble -> Take to an autoshop. Automotive clear coats are the most durable and look amazing. However they are pretty nasty compounds. Talk to the shop about what you want to acheive, they could probable spray it in less than an hour. Tack, three light coats of gloss clear and it's be ready for re-assembly next day. They might be able to piggy back the spray with another door or panel that is in the schedule. You never have to deal with fumes, you get the best finish possible in a climate/dust controlled setting. You'll just have to be flexible and call around. Be sure to tell them you don't need any post spray sanding, i.e. cut and buff (unless you want a perfect gloss).

Product cant be moved -> consider hiring someone to tent and spray inside the office and duct the fumes to nearest window/door. Typically interior painters have HVLP systems that they can spray a variety of products.

If the boss isn't on board, consider just leaving it as is, not to be a downer, but if the cabinet is seeing much movement/use it will likely not see much wear.

Good Luck!

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