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Paasche H... Considering This Purchase

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Paasche H... Considering This Purchase
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 27, 2004 11:54 PM
I'm a real AB novice, so bear with me if you've heard this before...

I had an Aztek A4709 that I just sold on eBay, for me I found it to be a little too unreliable. My AB needs are, at this time, very simple I think. I work with small (Z scale) model railroads. A fairly typical AB use for me is to paint individual railroad ties. I do this via a simple mask. Another use is to paint rock formations that I've cast in resin. The rock is generally painted with a solid base coat, then additional shadings are added.

I likely will never need the degee of control of fine spray that many AB users require.

What I do need is a:

1) Relatively fine spray / mist
2) A brush that doesn't have the tendency to spatter
3) A brush that is good with acrylics (I currently use Polly Scale)
4) A brush that is low maintanence, easy cleaning for me is good

I won't be using this new brush all that often, so in some ways the Paasche H seems like a good choice, but I've been told it produces a coarse spray. I know terms like fine, or coarse are subjective unless you can see it in person.

I had one person tell me the Paasche H delivers a spray more coarse than a can of aerosol spray paint. Not knowing how to judge this statement, I'm a bit lost on my next AB purchase.

Any insight appreciated.

Thanks,
John
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Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 12:14 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by jcubbin

I had one person tell me the Paasche H delivers a spray more coarse than a can of aerosol spray paint. Not knowing how to judge this statement, I'm a bit lost on my next AB purchase.


It's a shame when people say rediculous things like that. Disapprove [V]
The Paasche H is a good all-around single-action airbrush and would probably suit you fine as would one of the Badger single-action's such as the model 200.
I have no experience with the Paasche H or single-action airbrushes in general so I will let these other fine gentlemen answer that for you. Big Smile [:D] Wink [;)]

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 12:32 AM
i have several suggestions: badger 200's.
aztek 220
and (much more expensive tho) iwata revolution sar
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 12:33 AM
i have several suggestions: badger 200's.
aztek 220
and (much more expensive tho) iwata revolution sar

for doubles, i suggest badger 100, 155, 360, iwata hp-cr, and paasche vl
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Posted by KJ200 on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 2:20 AM
You're airbrushing individual ties in Z!!!!!!!!

I have enough trouble in OO!

Try a Badger 200.

It;s an excellent brush, practically idiot proof, after all I can use one, and can produce a very fine finish.

Badger produce a specific version aimed at detail work, which sounds like it would be ideal for your needs.

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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Posted by saltydog on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 6:44 AM
i have a paashe H and a badger 200G and they both work well and atomize paint way better than a aerosol can. mine are for sell so email me if your interested and you may could get both for the price of one!! the badger is practically brand new OOB. ive used it maybe three or 4 times. out of the 2 i would suggest the paashe because of the simplicity to breakdown and clean. later.
Chris The Origins of Murphy's Law: "In the begginning there was nothing, and it exploded."!!! _________ chris
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Posted by rjkplasticmod on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 9:29 AM
I've used a Paasche H for many years and it is a very good, reliable and inexpensive AB. It can spray a fine line and is about as easy to clean as any AB on the market. Those who claim it gives a coarse spray has either never used one or is using it improperly. It can't provide the type of control that an Iwata HP-CS can deliver, but neither can any other single action AB. For your purposes, I would say Highly Reccomended.
RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 12:47 PM
aks plasticmod992 to buy his paasche h... its only 20 bucks
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Posted by 9x19mm on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 4:30 PM
I have a paasche H and can say it far out performs a spray can. I use it all the time and really like it. Even if i were to upgrade my AB I would still keep it around for larger jobs and non modeling purposes.

Good luck on your AB purchase.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 4:51 PM
I've used a paashe H for over 30 years, I 've used it with enamal, acrylics, and laquers.
I also have a VL and like the H for all around use. Your biggiest learning curve will be thinning the paints your going to use and, the air pressure. Practice Practice Practice
Pratice with it a lot and experiment. Fine Scale did an article last year (I think) on mixing and spraying paints. Find it, it has some good suggestions and starting points. Next point, with what ever air brush you buy, KEEP IT CLEAN ! Enamals come clean with laquer thinner, I've found acrylics come clean with rubbing alcohol & denatured alcohol in a 50-50 mixture, you may still have to scrub the bottle or cup. Get a supply of Q-tips and Pipe cleaners. But cleaning is one the most important steps in keeping an air brush in good working order. Long winded I'm sure. But if you keep it simple, practice and keep them clean. you'll have many years or service from what ever air brush you buy. Good luck to you.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 5:28 PM
Paasche H Thumbs Up [tup]

My Paasche order came in today Yeah!! [yeah] a 1/4 - oz cup for the H model.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 6:10 PM
Thanks all for these tips.

I had looked at a Badger 200 as well, but think I just plain like the simplicity of the model H. Here's an example from my site of how the brush would be used:

http://www.ztrains.com/pages/workshop/diorama/diorama.html

Generally speaking, in pretty broad strokes, that is, no real fine lines. I use a combination of weathering powders (Bragdon) in addition to the paint. Aside from using a mask for Z scale ties, I''d also like to use it for shading rock faces and highlighting areas of static grasses.

I just came across an article in an old Model Railroader, and it shows a man who customizes locos via painting and weathering using what I believe is a single action external mix brush, an old Binks Wren.

John
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  • From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State
Posted by rjkplasticmod on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 6:47 PM
The Binks Wren is ancient. It was my first AB some 30+ years ago.
RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, April 28, 2004 7:26 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by rjkplasticmod

The Binks Wren is ancient. It was my first AB some 30+ years ago.


Rick,

They still make them too. Big Smile [:D]

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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  • From: The Hoosier State
Posted by plasticmod992 on Monday, May 3, 2004 7:16 PM
Thanks for the plug 1337. But unfortunately I made a trade with FSM author Pat Hawkey just a few days ago, so the Paasche-H is no longer available. However; I still have an Excellent Iwata Eclipse HP-BCS for $50. I replaced the needle, nozzle and cleaned it with an autoclave doohicky and its emaculant. I'll throw in bottles, a crown cap and an extra hose. Let me know...my airbushes are going fast!
Greg Williams Owner/ Manager Modern Hobbies LLC Indianapolis, IN. IPMS #44084
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 3, 2004 7:28 PM
First of all, I would like to welcome you to the FSM Forums. jcubbin, it is best that you state your budget for your airbrush purchase in order for your friends here to advice you what airbrush they can recommend. Consider the quality, customer service and the availability of the parts for your decision to purchase an airbrush. My 2 cents [2c]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 4, 2004 5:58 PM
Plastic, il consider your hp-c if its still for sale... however, im a little short on money cause of the badger i ordered, but please, put it on hold for like 2-3 weeks and i will pay you for it. thanks
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