Few last questions before buying the HP-CS

QUOTE: Originally posted by roosterfish So ShModeler...you are in the spotlight. Are you still going to buy an Iwata...or not? We are all in suspense. Maybe it would be better if you DIDN'T tell us.

Right, it best not to tell us or buy both brands.

So ShModeler...you are in the spotlight. Are you still going to buy an Iwata...or not? We are all in suspense.


Maybe it would be better if you DIDN'T tell us.

QUOTE: My appologies to roosterfish and the forum for getting off-topic of the original subject.

I love when things get off-topic. No need to apologise you guys!!

MikeV, we refer debate as "healthy discussion".

QUOTE: Originally posted by roosterfish Excellent looking model Salty. It looks like it would fly. Sigman is right. No debates. I'd like a person to buy an airbrush because it was his decision and not be <b>badgered</b> into buying one. I wasn't badgered in buying my first airbrush. It was my advantage that I got to try all the popular airbrushes before I picked my favorite. On the flip side I would not dissuade a person from buying an airbrush because of my personal or emotional feelings. I believe when it comes to airbrush features and buy that a person must be objective and not get emotional. A longer taper on an airbrush will give you more control for making fine lines but will require more throw on the airbrush control. A shorter taper will spray more paint.

i wonder who thats refering to

Allright, I just want to say that I don't care about any other AB company or whatnot and I really don't give a rat's gahooney if the Japanese copied us or are better than us. All I know is Iwata's HP-CS kicks some butt. I don't know about any other brand AB, well except for Aztek and we all know how I feel (feel's the word?) about Azteks, but Iwata is an awsome AB. Do some research on Badgers and Pashee's and what not, but I can say the Hp-cs will handle any job the needs to be done (execpt for things that need a spraygun and exceptions like that), so Shmodeler, I say again, your gonna like the hp-cs!

Ahh, now I would like to thank MikeV and Roosterfish for their gentlemanly actions. As my favorite saying goes, "Alls well that end's well".

QUOTE: Originally posted by roosterfish Sigman is right. No debates.

Debates are good as long as they are productive, quarrelling is not and that was not my intent.
My appologies to roosterfish and the forum for getting off-topic of the original subject.

QUOTE: A longer taper on an airbrush will give you more control for making fine lines but will require more throw on the airbrush control. A shorter taper will spray more paint.

I agree.

Mike

Excellent looking model Salty. It looks like it would fly.

Sigman is right. No debates. I'd like a person to buy an airbrush because it was his decision and not be badgered into buying one. I wasn't badgered in buying my first airbrush. It was my advantage that I got to try all the popular airbrushes before I picked my favorite. On the flip side I would not dissuade a person from buying an airbrush because of my personal or emotional feelings. I believe when it comes to airbrush features and buy that a person must be objective and not get emotional.

A longer taper on an airbrush will give you more control for making fine lines but will require more throw on the airbrush control. A shorter taper will spray more paint.

thanks shahar, i'll have to save for a while to make it back over there on my budget. the church that i attend puts together Holy Land tours ever so often and maybe we can catch one before too long. if i ever do, i'll look you up my friend. later.

QUOTE: i'd love to bring my wife to the Holy Land to visit. later.

Chris You're !!!

QUOTE: BTW why the pilot and cockpit are all black?

i built this bird to hang from the cieling of my hobby room/office so i dont spend too much time on the cockpit area because it'll never be seen. i tinted the canopy a little with tamiya smoke and kinda over done it so im stripping and redoing it. i spray the cockpit parts flat black just so if some one looks they'll atleast see a profile of a pilot at the helm.

QUOTE: Is it the Hasegawa?

yes.

QUOTE: Hope you'll find decals soon.

the decals are the least of my worries shahar, i'm missing the drop tanks, exhaust nozzle (the only one i found is $13 and some change!!!). hasegawa offers a armement set but its way up there too. this ones going to have to sit for a while until i regain my motivation to finish it.

ps i'd love to visit idaho too my friend!! also, i'd love to bring my wife to the Holy Land to visit. later.

Armormaster, I cant believe it's actually made of paper! looks real sweet!

Chris your Falcon looks wonderfull, the camo is corect in colour and shape!
Very very nice!
Hope you'll find decals soon. Is it the Hasegawa?
I bet someone have it and can scan it for you, all I have is the Italeri. if that helps let me know.
BTW why the pilot and cockpit are all black?

Chris I visited the US about 4 years ago, and man you got one beautifull country. I've been around different cities and states and I dont remmember anything boring or not intersting. I'm sure Alabama is a nice place to visit just like any other place around U.S.
Heck, to me visiting Boise Idaho, will be a JOY!

So about now we need someone to ask a dumb question. If the taper of the needle is important to fine spray does the Omni have a taper that produces a fine spray?

I would like to become moderator for roosterfish and mikev. Guys, guys, guys, we entered this forum because we all love this hobby and it seems like you're into a heated argument regarding two brands of airbrush. We came here to inquire and advice(share experience) so lets just keep into that and not stray from the tread of the topic starter.
Dicky

shahar,
i thought this would be appropriate to share with you since you're from israel. this is my halfway done israeli falcon that i painted with my new hp-cs. it was perfect timing to try out the hp-cs as this bird was ready to paint when the hp-cs arrived. this project has come to a stand still as the remaining parts, instructions, and decals have come up missing and have yet to be found (i suspect my wife chunked it accidentally) so i'll have to buy aftermarket parts to finish it with. i have a couple of coats of future floor polish applied and a wash of dark umber on the right side of the aircraft. like i say, its halfway done, but maybe i'll get back to it someday. later.

QUOTE: Originally posted by roosterfish So all the Japanese now make worse products and Americans make better than the Japanese now? I'll let the readers answer that one.

Did I say that? You read much more into a post then was there.
Have you even understood the gist of my argument all along?
It is not about what airbrush is the "best" it is about what people prefer as they are a personal choice. To say Iwata is the best is only a subjective opinion as Badger, Thayer & Chandler, Paasche, Harder & Steenbeck, Sata, and many others all produce an excellent product.

QUOTE: I know of quite a few professional illustrators and prop makers that have dropped their Badgers and T&C and have gone to Iwatas then never went back. I think they would know better than me what would be a good airbrush.

I also know professional artists who don't care for Iwatas and prefer Badger, Thayer & Chandler, Paasche and even Aztek, but what does that prove? It is just what they like better and are more comfortable with.
To say that one product is better than another product implies that it is superior and I don't see how you can make that statement when comparing airbrushes of the two brands mentioned. If you like Iwata better than all other brands then more power to you as that is your personal choice, but to say it is a better product is misleading if you ask me.

Mike

So all the Japanese now make worse products and Americans make better than the Japanese now? I'll let the readers answer that one.

I know of quite a few professional illustrators and prop makers that have dropped their Badgers and T&C and have gone to Iwatas then never went back. I think they would know better than me what would be a good airbrush.

Why would they they want to spend more money on a Japanese product that Mike says is only equal or substandard to an American product? Maybe we should be telling those professional illustrators and prop makers what airbrush to really buy?

QUOTE: Maybe one day I'll visit "Sweet home Alabama"

your not missin' much my friend, but come on. what i remember most about the visit to israel was the locals brought freshly baked bagels and cream cheese to our ship every morning and man was it wonderful. as a matter of fact, i eat a bagel with cream cheese most every morning for breakfast even now.

QUOTE: Originally posted by roosterfish The Japanese copied the American car and made it better quality and nicer tolerances to the benefit of the end user.

That was true back in the 70's and 80's but not anymore.

QUOTE: Ditto the VCR, CD, DVD, TV, radios, cameras, models and more.

Can you even name one American company that produces VCR's, CD', DVD's or TV's?

QUOTE: The Japanese copied an American airbrush and made it better quality and nicer tolerances to the benefit of the end user.

Comparing apples to apples, the Eclipse is not better quality than the Anthem, or Omni, that is just your opinion.
Some of the other higher-priced Iwata's may be better but then it is not a fair comparison. Compare those to the Badger Sotar 20/20 and we are back to equal ground again.

Mike

ShModeler: I didn't want to sound nit-picky and arrogant about the needle thing It's fine, we all make mistakes, just wanted to make sure everyone else looking at this knows the real size of the needle. But I know you will enjoy! Here's a freehand camo scheme I did with the hp-cs and this is a 1:70 scale tank, which is about the size of your computer mouse. I know you gonna like!

I have a quality spacecraft that can stand up to abuse. I made sure it would. My first one was abused by the worst in 1983 when they first came to the US. They tried to destroy it and tear it down. They went away amazed at what it will do. A lot of people have converted to Iwata since then.

I'm not complete down on US products. We do make a good Mag Lite flashlight.

Watch it roosterfish. The way I see both of you post, MikeV has just dropped a smart bomb on your sci-fi spacecraft!

Oh forget to say it's gonna be Eclipse HP-CS!
well is'nt that obviouse?!

Thanks guys!
Mike, 1337, ArmorMaster ,Chris ,Billy ,Richard Kinsey ,Joao Sampaio, Dicky, Greg Williams and Josh Allen. thank you for going with my thoughts, considering and reconsidering. You sure helped me a lot!!!!!! you guys are the est!

and...
Yes I know it's 0.35mm, I guess I was in a hurrey not to forget any of my questions. call it a slip of a finger. 3.5mm hmm... soung like a huge spray gun

QUOTE: we docked in haifa (i think that is the way thats spelled). i really enjoyed the hospitality of the israeli's. we toured all the religious sites which were very, very interesting. later.

Chris, you just gave me a nice memmory!!! When I was a teenager the U.S.S. Wasp docked in haifa, and I was one of the luckiest guys to go onboard! what a feeling! I could touch seeknights and Harriers and get lost inside the never ending maze. I know it's much smaller then an aircraft carrier, BUT IT WAS HUGE!!! and the people were so nice! every one was friendly and smiling!

Maybe one day I'll visit "Sweet home Alabama"

The Japanese copied the American car and made it better quality and nicer tolerances to the benefit of the end user. Ditto the VCR, CD, DVD, TV, radios, cameras, models and more.

The Japanese copied an American airbrush and made it better quality and nicer tolerances to the benefit of the end user.

QUOTE: Originally posted by ShModeler Well, thanks guys but I made up my mind because of the quality of Iwata. I also need gravity feed only. This time I'm not going to settle for somthing less. Maybe just maybe a Badger 360 is optional. It's cheaper but I'm not sure if it's as good as Iwata.

If you have decided that you want an Iwata then you should buy one, but don't think for a minute that Badger are not just as good. The 360 is a really nice airbrush but the cup is pretty small and works best for smaller jobs.
I personally think the Omni 4000 is as good as the HP-CS and Iwata used the Omni as a model to which they copied and made the Eclipse. There are those that innovate and then there are those that copy.

Mike

shahar,
the way that i hold my hp-cs the cup never gets close to my line of vision to the subject. also, i can get the gravity feed in any tight spot that a bottom feed can get for sure. put the color cup being in the way out of your mind my friend and stand by for a very nice airbrush. the hp-cs is an excellent choice. it would be very uncomfortable to hold the airbrush to where the cup would be in your line of vision to the subject. you'd have a weird and uncomfortable bend in your wrist. later.

ps i went to israel back in 93' while i was in the navy. we docked in haifa (i think that is the way thats spelled). i really enjoyed the hospitality of the israeli's. we toured all the religious sites which were very, very interesting. later.

I just bought the hp-cs and I think know it was the best investment I ever made in my modeling career. I know you have concerns about the gravity feed cup being on the top, and I had the same concerns too. But as soon as I actually sprayed with it, I adjusted with it and learned that the gravity feed cup on top isn't as big a deal as I thought it would, in fact it really doesn't matter to me. I can AB just as well with it there and I can still see the target perfectly well. I mean C'mon, were not aiming down the sights of a rifle barrel here, it's an AB. I hold my AB's at a slight angle to the left (I'm right-handed). And the eclipse has a .35 mm needle, not to be confused with 3.5mm (now my math teacher's advice, "the decimal matters" comes into practice!). I am convinced it can go smaller than that, but thats pretty small acording to me. I love it and, besides my glue, it's the most important device I have and it's also the device with the best quality in my whole range of tools. If you get it, I really don't need to say this because it's a by-product of buying the hp-cs, but enjoy!