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  • Member since
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  • From: Saratoga Springs, NY
I have seen the light!!!
Posted by Jeeves on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:33 PM
Finally got around to using my Badger 360 that I got for Christmas today! I stepped away from the bottom of the line Aztek A2200 series brush that I had had and broke out the new brush. Why wait so long, you ask? Mainly because my wife bought it for me and I didn't want to ruin it by not cleaning it properly. I used it with some Tamiya Neutral Gray on the bottom of my Tuskegee P-39Q...and I have never seen a smoother coat of paint! The control I had...precise amounts of paint going onto exactly where I wanted it instead of clouds of color going everywhere!! I am hooked!

A couple questions though:

1. Is Windex OK to use to clean up Tamiya acrylics with?? I was using the Tamiya thinner, but it seemed to go pretty quickly.

2. Do I have to completely dissemble the brush everytime I finish using it to get it clean?? There are just so many small parts and I have such clumsy fingers...but I want this brush to last, so that's why I ask?? Using it tonight, I did completely take it apart and clean the paint tip (nozzle?), spray regulator, and head, and needle.

3. In replacing the needle, how far back in should it go?? It seems if I push it all the way in, I may split the nozzle?? However, if it's not all the way in, it is protrusing through the regulator slightly. There is a protective cap to put over it, but it is unclear in the manual how far the needle should seat back in.

4. I was using the March 2002 FSM issue on pg. 31 as a reference for cleaning it after...step 7 says to remove and oil the needle. I am unsure what to use for oil? Nothing came in the cool wooden box other than the airbrush, jars, and spare needle and nozzle.

Any other cleaning and maintenance tips would be extremely helpful! Please-- don't make me go back to the Aztek brush-- I want my Badger to last! Wink [;)]
Mike
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  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:48 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Jeeves



1. Is Windex OK to use to clean up Tamiya acrylics with?? I was using the Tamiya thinner, but it seemed to go pretty quickly.


Yes it is but some say that straight Windex over time can tarnish the chrome of the airbrush because of the ammonia in Windex.
I like to mix 2 parts distilled water, 1 part Windex and 1 part Simple Green cleaner.
This makes a good airbrush cleaner and it is cheap. Put it in a plastic squeeze bottle as they work great for that.

QUOTE: 2. Do I have to completely dissemble the brush everytime I finish using it to get it clean?? There are just so many small parts and I have such clumsy fingers...but I want this brush to last, so that's why I ask?? Using it tonight, I did completely take it apart and clean the paint tip (nozzle?), spray regulator, and head, and needle.


No you do not! Wipe the cup out with a paper towel or rag and then spray your cleaner through it several times. Then fill the bowl with cleaner again and hold a rag over the front of the airbrush and while pushing down on the trigger, pull back slightly on it and backflush it. After that then spray some more cleaner through it followed by distilled water.
I take mine apart when it feels like it needs it or I don't think it is as clean as I would like inside. That is usually about every 4th or 5th time I use it.

QUOTE: 3. In replacing the needle, how far back in should it go?? It seems if I push it all the way in, I may split the nozzle?? However, if it's not all the way in, it is protrusing through the regulator slightly. There is a protective cap to put over it, but it is unclear in the manual how far the needle should seat back in.


With the head on the airbrush, push the needle in from the rear being careful not to damage the tip of the needle when inserting it. Push it forward slowly until it comes in contact with the tip (nozzle) and then tighten the needle chuck. If you want you can put your finger against the back of the needle and apply slight forward pressure as you tighten the needle chuck with the other hand. The nozzle can split but you would have to force the needle into it fairly hard to do that. Just be firm, yet gentle. Wink [;)]

QUOTE: 4. I was using the March 2002 FSM issue on pg. 31 as a reference for cleaning it after...step 7 says to remove and oil the needle. I am unsure what to use for oil? Nothing came in the cool wooden box other than the airbrush, jars, and spare needle and nozzle.


Pick up some Badger Needle Juice and use that as it was designed specifically for that purpose. You put it on the front half of the needle and it lubricates the airbrush as well as helping eliminate paint drying to the needle too much. It is great stuff and your airbrush will feel much smoother after using it.

QUOTE: Any other cleaning and maintenance tips would be extremely helpful! Please-- don't make me go back to the Aztek brush-- I want my Badger to last! Wink [;)]


I'm glad you like it and if I can be of any more help then please let me know. Big Smile [:D]

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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  • From: Saratoga Springs, NY
Posted by Jeeves on Thursday, May 20, 2004 7:25 AM
Thanks Mike! I was actually using the bottom feed jar as the cup didn't seem like it would hold enough paint...but I am liking it a lot. I will print out your advice so I have it to refer to later-- thanks again!!
Mike
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  • From: Sandusky Ohio, USA
Posted by Swanny on Thursday, May 20, 2004 7:25 AM
Jeeves, welcome to the wonderful world of quality airbrushes. Mike has got you covered with the care tips. I use straight Windex in my 360 and have never experienced a problem with tarnishing. For enamels and lacquers I use Lacquer thinner to clean the brush.
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  • From: Saratoga Springs, NY
Posted by Jeeves on Thursday, May 20, 2004 7:46 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by MikeV

Originally posted by Jeeves

With the head on the airbrush, push the needle in from the rear being careful not to damage the tip of the needle when inserting it. Push it forward slowly until it comes in contact with the tip (nozzle) and then tighten the needle chuck. If you want you can put your finger against the back of the needle and apply slight forward pressure as you tighten the needle chuck with the other hand. The nozzle can split but you would have to force the needle into it fairly hard to do that. Just be firm, yet gentle. Wink [;)]


Sorry...just one more thing here for clarification's sake....when you say comes in contact with-- you mean basically, the needle must come through and fill the space at the nozzle end, right? That was dumb of me...of course it would- because otherwise when you depress the trigger, paint would come out if the needle wasn't all the way in, right? I imagine after a few uses. all this timidness on my part will disappear, right? Wink [;)]
Mike
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  • From: Saratoga Springs, NY
Posted by Jeeves on Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:07 AM
One more question...

I will endeavor to paint up the top side tomorrow in olive drab on my Airacobra and was wondering which brand of OD would be best for a beat-up second hand P-39?? I bought the Tamiya OD, but it seems a bit too green (not faded, in other words) to use....any tips on something else closer to that- or should I just beat it up with some chalk?
Mike
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:32 PM
try adding black

Oh mike, i was always wondering if you could put a sidefeed cup or a custom one to the 360 and use it as that...
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  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by MikeV on Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:08 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by 1337


Oh mike, i was always wondering if you could put a sidefeed cup or a custom one to the 360 and use it as that...


I don't know of anyone who has done that. Why would you want a side-feed?

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by MikeV on Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:10 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Jeeves


Sorry...just one more thing here for clarification's sake....when you say comes in contact with-- you mean basically, the needle must come through and fill the space at the nozzle end, right? That was dumb of me...of course it would- because otherwise when you depress the trigger, paint would come out if the needle wasn't all the way in, right? I imagine after a few uses. all this timidness on my part will disappear, right? Wink [;)]


Yes, you are correct and yes, you will get less timid as you become accustomed to using it. Wink [;)]

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by Jeeves on Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:11 PM
OK... I am having some trouble trying to find the Needle Juice.. where is it available?? Also-- I am in need of a proper airbrush cleaning container and am open to suggestions... thanks!
Mike
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  • From: Stockton CA USA
Posted by roosterfish on Friday, May 21, 2004 12:09 AM
I suppose I am the only one that twirls the needle as it goes into the airbrush until it seats in the nozzle. Twirling the tip helps the softer nozzle mate together with a good seal and you run less of a chance of ramming the needle into the nozzle and "mushrooming" the nozzle.

If you run out of exotically priced airbrush lubricant then a cooking oil in the kitchen works just as well.
Winners never quit; quitters never win.
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Posted by MikeV on Friday, May 21, 2004 7:26 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by roosterfish

I suppose I am the only one that twirls the needle as it goes into the airbrush until it seats in the nozzle.


No, I do that also. Big Smile [:D]

QUOTE:
If you run out of exotically priced airbrush lubricant then a cooking oil in the kitchen works just as well.


I would be careful with oils like that as it is possible for them to affect the paint going over them. I wouldn't consider Needle Juice as "exotically priced" either as it retails for $4.30 for a 1 ounce bottle which will last a long time.

Jeeves,

WebAirbrushes.com has it:
http://www.webairbrushes.com/store/detail.cfm?id=262&categoryid=62&path=14%7CAccessories%7C62%7CMiscellaneous%20Accessories%20%7C

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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  • From: Saratoga Springs, NY
Posted by Jeeves on Friday, May 21, 2004 8:18 AM
Thanks Mike!! I do have one more big art store to check in the city of Saratoga that might have it, but it's good to have a link....Great Models lists it as well-- but of course, it's not in stock Wink [;)]
Mike
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  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by MikeV on Friday, May 21, 2004 7:54 PM
Jeeves,

Medea also makes a good one called, "Super Lube" and if the art stores have it then just buy it. It is pretty much the same thing and would save you the hassle of buying it online and paying as much for shipping as the product. Big Smile [:D]

Mike

PS Don't confuse Medea's Super Lube with the one they sell in automotive stores with the same name. It is NOT the same thing! Wink [;)]

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by MusicCity on Saturday, May 22, 2004 6:59 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Jeeves

Also-- I am in need of a proper airbrush cleaning container and am open to suggestions... thanks!

Swanny has one made from a Cool Whip container shown on his web site at http://www.swannysmodels.com/FumeCan.html

I just used an old coffee can (the plastic ones work best since they don't rust). Drilled a ring of holes around the bottom and covered wht inside of them with coffee filters. Then put a couple of old sponges in the can. It doesn't do much for fumes, but it catches the spray particles.
Scott Craig -- Nashville, TN -- My Website -- My Models Page
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