single or dual action?

Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

single or dual action?

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 5:31 AM

hi all,

just wandered which type of airbrush YOU prefer, I have a standard class, single action airbrush, two needles/nozzles, one fine, one medium,

I have read other threads that the dual action is tricky to get use to. I do all camo work with the single action, with good results.

whats your preference?

regards
Dave

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KJ200

Member since
July 2003
From: Bicester, England

Posted by KJ200 on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 5:55 AM

Dave, I use 2 ABs, a single action Badger 200, my first proper AB, and a dual action Omni 4000.

The 200 is good, but does not allow the level of control required to do Luftwaffe camo on 1/72 fighters in the way that the Omni does.

Double action brushes aren't that tricky to use. Like most things it's a question of practise.

Good to see another UK member on the forum.

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 6:19 AM

I started with a Single.... and now have 2 Duals.....
Paasche H

Paasche VL

and a Iwata Hp-C

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 6:28 AM

thanks,

I am considering http://www.ripmax.com/ProductFrames/T-AZ4709.html

the testers 4709, heard good reports about it, and their Ice blue mini compressor as well, I have stuck to a single action so far, cos of lack of cash, but I appreciate your comments about the finer camo work, I build 1/35 armour at mo, so guess this is why I am getting away with the lower cost airbrush, it is a Revell standard class

thanks

Dave

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MusicCity

Member since
January 2004
From: USA

Posted by MusicCity on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 6:44 AM

I agree with what Karl said. I have a Badger 200 and two Omni's. I would never go back to a single-action brush again for anything other than general coverage. I just don't have the level of control I have with my DA brushes.

QUOTE: I am considering http://www.ripmax.com/ProductFrames/T-AZ4709.html
the testers 4709, heard good reports about it

Do yourself a favor and search this forum area for the word "Aztek" and see what people have to say about them. I've never owned one, so I can't say from first-hand knowledge. About 3/4 of the comments about them are negative. Some people have them and have very good luck with them and get good results from them. Most absolutely detest them. And, for the price you could get a couple of other airbrushes.

Scott Craig -- Nashville, TN -- My Website -- My Models Page

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KJ200

Member since
July 2003
From: Bicester, England

Posted by KJ200 on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 6:47 AM

Dave, you will here many opinions on the Aztek on this forum, many of them not good.

I haven't used one myself so can't comment.

However considering the cost of the Aztek, you might also want to look at the following ABs all by Badger:

100 £89 Very good brush for fine work.
155 £95 Again an excellent brush, not unlike the Omni.
175 £102 Another good one.

Spares availability in the UK for all the above is excellent, and more to the point affordable.

The prices quoted are from the followinhg site:

www.mainlytrains.co.uk

Which is where my 200 came from. Don't be put off by the name it's an excellent site for all modelling stuff.

I sourced my Omni from the US, which cost me abour £80 inluding shipping and customs charges.

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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KJ200

Member since
July 2003
From: Bicester, England

Posted by KJ200 on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 6:48 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by MusicCity

I And, for the price you could get a couple of other airbrushes.

Not in the UK you woudn't!

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 7:04 AM

thanks Karl,

which out of these would you think be best value for money:

http://www.graphicair.co.uk/acatalog/Badger.html

thanks

Dave

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KJ200

Member since
July 2003
From: Bicester, England

Posted by KJ200 on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 7:22 AM

Dave, they all seem to be about £10-15 more expensive than Mainly Trains for a comparable brush.

It it were my money, I'd go for an 155 Anthem, or a 100g or LG.

Where's MikeV when you need him?

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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MusicCity

Member since
January 2004
From: USA

Posted by MusicCity on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 7:47 AM

QUOTE: Not in the UK you woudn't!

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Dead [xx(]

Scott Craig -- Nashville, TN -- My Website -- My Models Page

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MikeV

Member since
April 2003
From: Hayward, CA

Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 8:21 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by KJ200

Dave, they all seem to be about £10-15 more expensive than Mainly Trains for a comparable brush.

It it were my money, I'd go for an 155 Anthem, or a 100g or LG.

Where's MikeV when you need him?

Karl

I would agree with Karl as all three of those are good choices.
If I only had to choose one of them it would be the 100LG with a medium tip/needle.

I have never used a single-action airbrush so I can't comment.
I learned to airbrush with a Paasche VL and then bought a Vega 2000, a Vega 1000, and then later an Omni 3000. Every other model I have bought since then is a double-action as I wouldn't use anything else. Wink [;)]

Mike

“Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon

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ewc2003

Member since
June 2004
From: Minnetonka, MN

Posted by ewc2003 on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 8:27 AM

Dave,

DON'T BUY THE AZTEK.... I own one, and would rather shoot from a spray can than use that again. It's cheap, and it's inexpensive... Two similar terms, the first referring to the way it operates, and the second for the price. If someone gave me one, I'd sell it without even thinking twice.

Just my opinion, but don't make the same mistake I did. Use that money for a REAL airbrush....

Matt ------------------------------------------------- "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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saltydog

Member since
July 2003
From: Lower Alabama

Posted by saltydog on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 9:00 AM

i like the double action iwata eclipse hp-cs. its a great choice for modelling. later.

Chris

The Origins of Murphy's Law: "In the begginning there was nothing, and it exploded."!!! _________ chris

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KJ200

Member since
July 2003
From: Bicester, England

Posted by KJ200 on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 9:22 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by saltydog

i like the double action iwata eclipse hp-cs. its a great choice for modelling. later.

That'll be £115 in the UK, or $207 compared to $105 in the US.

Scary or what!

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 11:08 AM

Thanks to everyone,

I will not buy an aztek

Mike, I will take your advice, and thanks to Karl as well.

regards

Dave

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 11:42 AM

good choice, still avoid aztek.

#1 hater of aztek "Fan club" any takers?

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 12:27 PM

have just ordered the Badger 100LG medium tip.

blow the money

Big Smile [:D]

I might get this compressor

http://www.ripmax.com/FS_Access_General.html

does anyone have any experience, surely Testers make something decent?
Smile [:)]

regards

Dave

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 7:40 PM

My first airbrush was a Badger 150 that I used for about 15 years. Last winter I bought a 155 Anthem. I actually have never used a single action AB, so I really can't say which is easier to use. As for the two airbrushes, I would recommend the 155 to anyone. There's less parts to it which makes it a better tool in my opinion.

Darren

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saltydog

Member since
July 2003
From: Lower Alabama

Posted by saltydog on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 11:06 PM

well, if i knew what i know now, and i was in the market for my first "real" airbrush, i'd pay the $215 or whatever for the hp-cs!! Wink [;)]

thats just me though, its a wonderful airbrush. i've used an omni 5000 extensively, paashe some, and a badger 200G, but when i got the hp-c and hp-cs everything else collects dust. but, if you're on a budget, the omni line can't be beat. later.

Chris

The Origins of Murphy's Law: "In the begginning there was nothing, and it exploded."!!! _________ chris

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 4, 2004 11:59 PM

Started with a very basic, literally external mix Badger airbrush -- you know, where the nozzle and paint tube are right angles to each other, and no air cover/cap to boot. Then moved on to a Badger 350 single-action and got a lot of good use from it. Later, when I took the plunge to tackle complex camouflage, I bought myself a Tamiya HG 93F double-action AB (don't know what AB it's based from, or who really made it but it looks Iwata-like in design). Took some time to get used to, but after a lot of practice, I can't imagine why I didn't go with a double-action AB to begin with.

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KJ200

Member since
July 2003
From: Bicester, England

Posted by KJ200 on Thursday, August 5, 2004 1:56 AM

Dave, I don't have any experience with the Testor's compressor, but you might want to look at the site below.

www.compressorsolutions.co.uk/compressors_catalogue.html

Note the prices are excluding VAT.

I bought the Werther 3, which I have now used for almost a year, and found to be excellent.

Nice choice on the 100, I'm sure you won't be dissapointed.

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 5, 2004 7:19 AM

I have heard both good and bad things about The Testors Blue Compressor, mostly bad.....

My AB is double action Paasche VL, easy to clean, and will do the job just as well as anything else (IMHO), its practically kiddie proof. Some people don't like the thickness of it and prefer the thinner profile of Iwatas and Badgers. Sign - Dots [#dots]

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 5, 2004 8:18 AM

thanks all again,

Karl, thanks for UK link, I actually bought the Badger airbrush from http://www.graphicair.co.uk/acatalog/Badger.html

Nothing wrong with your link for mainlytrains, but I need to see pics, when I am buying off the net,

Smile [:)]

Will let you know what I think of it,

the compressor wesite look s good too

thanks

Dave

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KJ200

Member since
July 2003
From: Bicester, England

Posted by KJ200 on Friday, August 6, 2004 1:56 AM

Dave, glad I could help.

That's the only problem with Mainly Trains, but then then they do have a catalogue of over 10,000 items.

Compressor solutions did me a good deal on the Werther, but they do plenty of other makes as well.

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 7, 2004 4:57 AM

Hi Dave, I have the same setups like Karl, a Badger 200 & an Omni 4000. The 200 is the NH, siphon feed. After using the Omni 4000 with it's mounted color cup, I'm seriously thinking of replacing the 200NH with the 200G, just because I like the way that configuration works for me. As for the Aztek, I can say that they don't compare very well with the Omni because I own & have used both. Yes I did get a fairly decent freehand camo out of the Aztek once, but it was difficult to say the least. Every so often the paint would start to spatter & I'd have to clean the tip off before resuming painting. I had to use it because it was proving very difficult with the 200NH. Of all the airbrushes on that link you posted, I would say WAIT & SAVE YOUR MONEY$$$ Go with the Omni 4000, IMO it will probably give you the best buy & performance.

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