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                        Vallejo: What gives?

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                        KJ200
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Bicester, England
                        Vallejo: What gives?
                        Posted by KJ200 on Sunday, August 15, 2004 9:08 AM
                        I recently bought some Vallejo RLM 05 as nobody else seems to make it.

                        I mixed the paint as per comments that I've read here on the forum, using water instead of my usual Tamiya thinner.

                        I sprayed my model, it all looked OK.

                        However I came back to it next day, and a couple of black marks had appeared on one wing. No big deal, I simply oversprayed and left it.

                        Next day same thing.Banged Head [banghead]

                        So I thought I'd rub the offending area down to bare plastic again.

                        That's when the trouble began, as the paint started tp peel off in strips at the slightest touch!!!!!!

                        Anyone got any ideas what I did wrong?

                        Thanks

                        Karl

                        Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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                        madmike
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Perth, Western Australia
                        Posted by madmike on Sunday, August 15, 2004 10:15 AM
                        Not sure what caused the spotting but I find the best results are obtained when you apply the distilled water thinned Vallejo OVER a suitable lacquer or enamel primer. I use Tamiya Primer which provides a great base for the Vallejo acrylics. This prevents them coming away from the bare plastic as you described.

                        My 1:72 Airfix Gnat brushpainted with Vallejo over brushpainted Humbrol Lt Grey enamel. The gloss was obtained using Future.


                        cheers

                        Mike

                        "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei
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                        dubix88
                        • Member since
                          March 2003
                        • From: Maine,USA
                        Posted by dubix88 on Sunday, August 15, 2004 11:09 AM
                        HEY,
                        Wow you brush painted that? Nice. But ya, use a good primer, im suprised you didnt do that, especially with how long youve been with the forum.

                        Randy
                        THATS MY VOTE "If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there is a man on base." -Dave Barry In the words of the great Larry the Cable Guy, "GIT-R-DONE!!!"
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                        KJ200
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Bicester, England
                        Posted by KJ200 on Sunday, August 15, 2004 2:02 PM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by dubix88

                        HEY,
                        But ya, use a good primer, im suprised you didnt do that, especially with how long youve been with the forum.

                        Randy


                        Dubix,you'd have thought!

                        I've become used to Gunze, where a primer is not really required.

                        I'll try undercoating it first with Gunze flat white, and see how that goes.

                        Madmike, I love the Gnat, I remember that kit from when I was a kid.

                        As for the Rotordyne, stunning looking build, of a little known prototype.

                        Thanks for your help guys.

                        Karl

                        Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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                        Anonymous
                        • Member since
                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 15, 2004 8:28 PM
                        Bro ya gotta sand the plastic with a very fine grade or Those vallejo's wont stick. A primer is good but not neccessary if ya sand the model first. Don't forget to wash the model before painting. I have switched to Vallejo's and love em. DO you notice how little you need to thin them... I think its great. Have you seen the model air line yet?? Made for the airbrush. I havent tried them but my LHS stocks the whole line.
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                        Anonymous
                        • Member since
                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 15, 2004 8:29 PM
                        Ooo forgot to add... you didnt mix the paint enough. Thats why you have black there. Shake those Vallejo's HARD for a while. That's how I get my finishes with them.
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                        Anonymous
                        • Member since
                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 15, 2004 8:31 PM
                        Vallejo OD done as I decribed above...




                        Hope this helps ya out Karl
                        -Jeff
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                        South Aussie
                        • Member since
                          August 2003
                        • From: South Australia
                        Posted by South Aussie on Sunday, August 15, 2004 11:38 PM
                        Karl, as Jeff said you have to shake the paints well before use.

                        When thinning them use only distilled water, as normal water from the tap can contain impurities that can effect the paint.
                        Wayne I enjoy getting older, especially when I consider the alternative.
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                        KJ200
                        • Member since
                          July 2003
                        • From: Bicester, England
                        Posted by KJ200 on Monday, August 16, 2004 3:21 AM
                        QUOTE: Originally posted by woodbeck3

                        Bro ya gotta sand the plastic with a very fine grade or Those vallejo's wont stick. A primer is good but not neccessary if ya sand the model first. Don't forget to wash the model before painting. I have switched to Vallejo's and love em. DO you notice how little you need to thin them... I think its great. Have you seen the model air line yet?? Made for the airbrush. I havent tried them but my LHS stocks the whole line.


                        Jeff, I sanded the entire model with 1000 grade wet & dry, as I had to remove a pebbly finish from the surface prior to painting, so the surface should have been properly keyed.

                        Maybe I didn't stir it enough before applying, that would explain the black marks.

                        I saw the AB ready paints on Vallajo's website, but I don't think that they are available over here. Having said that, even if they were, you know how I feel about my Gunze!

                        I'll try a coat of Gunze white before I put on the Vallejo next time.

                        Thanks for the feedback guys.

                        Karl

                        Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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                        Anonymous
                        • Member since
                          November 2005
                        Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 16, 2004 10:24 AM
                        Karl
                        I use Citadel Miniatures Chaos White spray cans for priming.
                        Then I spray Vallejo using a 2:1 paint :water ratio - this gives me the best results.
                        My LHS recently started stocking Vallejo Model Air pre thinned paint , but I havn't tried it yet.

                        Paul
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