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Question about spraying laquer
Posted by tho9900 on Friday, September 10, 2004 7:43 PM
I was spraying some MM Laquer Chevy Engine Red on a Helicopter (first time spraying laquer) and at first it was coming out like cotton candy and sticking to the fuselage... I had to open the air flow pretty good and pull back on the trigger for more juice to get it to flow 'normal'

Never having sprayed laquer is this normal? Or is it I should have thinned it more? It was 'milk' consistency or a little thinner... it orange peeled in a few small places too...

Any tips for the NEW improved HH-65 I am building? (As soon as the kit comes in)
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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, September 10, 2004 8:40 PM
by "coming out like cotton candy" I mean ... have you ever been to the fair or somewhere where they have the cotton candy machines? and the whole thing is just a whirring while they twirl the cone thing around it and those strands of dry cotton candy appear on it?

My paint was those dry strands of cotton candy shooting over my model... or if you prefer to relate it to silly string that's ok too...
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Posted by maddafinga on Friday, September 10, 2004 8:57 PM
I've never seen or heard of that one. Hmmm, odd. I don't really know what might cause that. Did you try cleaning it all out, letting it set long enough to really dry, then spraying again? That way it might give you some perspective, see if it will repeat. All I can say is try eliminating some variables one at a time and see what happens each time. That is a very very strange thing to me.
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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, September 10, 2004 9:15 PM
me too!!! haha I dont know if you saw it in other threads but I have been making this for my dad... it's been at least a month now.. slowly doing this, changing that... I FINALLY got ready for the paint (which I thought was enamel) and it said laquer... I said "OK... no big deal, thin it like enamel and I'm ready to go!"

Well not so friend... cotton candy I tell ya... fluffy lil wisps of it all over this model... I got it off but the orange peel is what bothers me...

In this stage of my modelling... I would rather buy a new kit and do it over with the experience I had from the first one under my belt, than strip it... It seems to be better for me that way,,,, the second time I know ALL the pitfalls in advance!!

Oh yeah and airbrush was clean... only sprayed acryl through it before and cleaned with Tamiya thinner till it sprayed clear... even took the thing apart once after several sprays and it was pure metal, no paint buidup in it... so think that was ok... and it sprays fine since then, enamels and acrylics both.. this only happened with the laquer...

Anyway, I think I am narrowing it down to not thinning enough... hence the having to up the pressure and volume of paint to get it to flow right......

Thanks tho!!!
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Posted by maddafinga on Friday, September 10, 2004 9:27 PM
What did you thin it with? I thin my enamels with laquer thinner and have no problems, but I wonder if you thin a laquer with enamel thinner..... I wonder if that is the root of your problem?
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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, September 10, 2004 9:40 PM
no;... thinned it with laquer thinner... I thought the same thing... but again, the way it blew out the first few strokes I think it was a flow/viscosity thing...
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 10, 2004 9:42 PM
to me sounds like its too hot , did you primer first?
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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, September 10, 2004 9:46 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Themage

to me sounds like its too hot , did you primer first?


yeah, did that... in fact the stuff was coming out of the airbrush like cotton candy... before it hit the model even... thats why the comment about silly string up there, just poofed out and landed on the fuselage.. really wierd.
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Posted by maddafinga on Friday, September 10, 2004 10:46 PM
See if you can get a bunch of it to stick to a narrow cardboard funnel.
Madda Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle. -- Leonardo Da Vinci Tact is for those who lack the wit for sarcasm.--maddafinga
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Posted by MikeV on Saturday, September 11, 2004 12:43 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by tho9900

I was spraying some MM Laquer Chevy Engine Red on a Helicopter (first time spraying laquer) and at first it was coming out like cotton candy and sticking to the fuselage...


Model Master lacquer?
The only Model Master lacquers that I have seen are the Metalizers, not colors.
Are you sure you didn't mix lacquer thinner in MM Acryl? [:0]
That would probably react in the way you are describing.

Mike

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Posted by jdavidb on Saturday, September 11, 2004 2:12 AM
yeah there's a new group of Testors lacquers. It's already in Hobbytown. Chevy Engine Red is one of them. I haven't used them yet because I'm waiting until they do a "new formula" Cool [8D] version of that too after they iron out whatever problems it probably has.
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Posted by tho9900 on Saturday, September 11, 2004 6:58 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by maddafinga

See if you can get a bunch of it to stick to a narrow cardboard funnel.


Hmmmm I could be on to something... this could be a whole new career op... "a carnie" I can see it now... the cotton candy man... that'd be quiet a starting place!
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Posted by tho9900 on Saturday, September 11, 2004 7:02 AM
Mike, David is right, this is the first time I notcied these particular colors.... the chevy red is the (or very near to) madder red which is the color of the HH-65 I was spraying. I allllmoooost got the acryl version but thought it would look better in laquer.... and in most places it looks GREAT! it's the other 5% that is bad....

only good thing is after the strand incedent is I found respraying over the strands melted them back to paint as I hoped they would...
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Posted by jdavidb on Saturday, September 11, 2004 7:23 AM
QUOTE: I allllmoooost got the acryl version
Acryl is gooood stuff from what I've seen so far. I've only recently put it through some tests, and I almost like it as much as enamel (after I let it cure for a decade). Zzz [zzz]
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