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Acrylic or Enamel?
Posted by Tankmaster7 on Monday, October 18, 2004 3:08 PM
Im pretty new to this forum, so I'm sorry if this goes over old ground. Do you people use acrylics or enamels for airbrushingf? I would be grateful if you could give some reasons and some opinions on the advatages and disadvantages of each type.
Thanks, Tankmaster
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Posted by MusicCity on Monday, October 18, 2004 3:20 PM
That question gets gone over about once a month. Here is a good thread on it

In general, enamels spray smoother, take longer to dry, have more colors available, and the vapors are generally worse than with acrylics. Acrylics dry much faster (in some cases too fast), spray a bit coarser than enamels, and clean up with water or mild solvents. The choice of which to use is up to you. I use about 90% acrylics because I hate the fumes and vapors from enamels and laquers. In reality you should still use a respirator even with acrylics, lining your lungs with any kind of paint is a bad idea, but the solvents are much less harsh than enamels or laquers.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 18, 2004 4:06 PM
I, like you, am fair new to the forum after returning to the hobby after a long hiatus. Previously (as a kid), I only used enamels, as enamels were really the only things available in my area. After returning to the hobby, I have used primarily acrylics. Personally, I really like the ease of cleanup and how fast the paint dries. The lack of nasty fumes is nice, too! However, each type of paint has its own pros and cons.

In particular, one thing that I have noticed with airbrushing acrylics is that at lower pressures and smaller paint flow rates, the acrylics dry so fast that they have a tendency to coat the needle and cause the flow of paint to become a little less consistent over time (i.e. slowly reducing the amount of paint at a particular trigger point and then "spitting" or "sputtering" as the little chunk of paint on the needle is blown offDisapprove [V]). This can be partially resolved by periodically pulling the trigger all the way back to blow off the larger chunks onto something other than your model (a paper plate works well for me Big Smile [:D]). A "retarder" (which slows down the drying time of the paint) may also help with this, but I have not had the chance to give it a try yet. Either way, it usually is not a huge problem when you are painting larger areas of your model.

It is a different story when you are trying to make fine passes, like freehanding camouflage demarcation lines. Nothing is more frustrating than getting a line just the way you want it and then have the airbrush spit a glob of paint onto your model, disrupting the otherwise great demarcation line! Angry [:(!] It is easy enough to fix by changing the location of line slightly to cover the blemish or respraying the opposite color, but either way it adds time and frustration. I may give enamels a try when painting camouflage in the future, as they have less of a tendency to dry onto the needle and may be a little easier to produce a fine line with.

However, I am still pretty new at using acrylics, so I am sure there are others out there on the forum that are a little more knowledgeable about it. From reading different threads on the forum, it looks like everyone has their own likes and dislikes as far as the type of paint goes. Some like enamels better, while others give acrylics the nod. Give both types of paint a try and see which you, personally, like better!
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Posted by MusicCity on Monday, October 18, 2004 7:38 PM
QUOTE: A "retarder" (which slows down the drying time of the paint) may also help with this, but I have not had the chance to give it a try yet.

Retarders help a lot, and I use some all the time, but they are not the answer to everything. Acrylics just naturally dry absurdly fast, and it's just something that you accustomed to dealing with. Painting with a brush and acrylics is very difficult to do. By the time you finish a pass and go back to the top, it has already started drying there. Even so, the lack of noxious fumes and vapors as well as the water and mild solvent cleanup are a big plus in my book.
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Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Monday, October 18, 2004 7:53 PM
Acrylic and Enamels are two different type of paints. And they have different properties. Some may refer to them in terms of being an advantage or disadvantage but I just refer to them as natural physical properties of the material. I don't think acrylics were made as substitute for enamels or vice versa. These two paint materials were made for different application conditions and they provide different set of results. The guys I think have made good explanations on these conditions and results.

My suggestion is for you to try both and see for yourself. based on your own obserations, you may decide as to which type is more suited for your needs.

Also please read carefully the instructions on your airbrush (paint-thinner ratio, pressure, etc. ) with regards to the use of different type of paints so that you can get the most out of your airbrushing.

Good luck.

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Posted by styrene on Monday, October 18, 2004 8:29 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Not again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Gip Winecoff

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1900: "Nietzsche is dead"--God

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Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Monday, October 18, 2004 8:43 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by styrene

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Not again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Gip Winecoff


Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, October 18, 2004 8:51 PM
also, you can use the both on the same model given sufficient drying time...

I tend to do my basecoat in acrylic.. then give it a couple of days to dry... then do my camo patter in enamel... haven't had a problem so far... the overcoat of camo in enamel is nice because it sprays cleaner with none of the tip dry mentioned... the acrylic base coat is nice bacause it is not so noxious to the nose and dries quicker... of course this in only with dull colors.. never tried it in gloss... I would probably do gloss coats in enamel...

anyway check out the thread Music City posted... you'll read a lot more on it...
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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Monday, October 18, 2004 8:54 PM
sorry about that styreneBig Smile [:D] . Thanks guys. I've used both but I was wondering what you guys thought... I find enamels apray much smoother and I like them more, but, acrylics are more life-friendly. Boy, tho9900, you're helpin' me out all over the place
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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Monday, October 18, 2004 8:55 PM
BTW nice animation Dwight.
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Posted by MusicCity on Monday, October 18, 2004 8:58 PM
QUOTE: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Not again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just love it when he does that Tongue [:P]
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Posted by styrene on Monday, October 18, 2004 9:07 PM
QUOTE: I just love it when he does that


When I do what? Clown [:o)]

Gip

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Posted by MikeV on Monday, October 18, 2004 10:07 PM
Gip,

Want me to send you a Prozac buddy?
It will take away some of that Arrrrrrggggggghhhhh you have. Big Smile [:D] Tongue [:P]

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by jdavidb on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 2:51 AM
Acrylics keep evolving. There's Auto-Air now, which apparently none of us have tried yet. MM Acryl is only a few years old. MCW mixes and sells lacquers for plastic. Enamels have almost always been great, so we keep coming up with new tricks on how to use them. This is a subject which does have to keep coming up in order to keep up with new paints.
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