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very true scott.............BTW, i'm a chevy man myself!!!LOL have a good turkey day friend. later.


chas, thats an excellent idea about having an airbrush for each medium of paint, i'm striving for that goal myself. i want another HP-CS and a HP-CR. i'd use the CR for alclad, and the other CS for acrylics and future coats. i'm with you 100% on that.

QUOTE: as far as cleaning goes, a while back i owned a VL and i remember the pain in the rear it was to clean the obtuse angle from the siphon tube to the main body of the airbrush.

I've never had that problem, or at least never noticed it. Could be a big wad of paint up there that I just never pait any attention to.. Before I take the bottle off I backflush the brush which blows the paint out of the tube. Pour out any remaining paint, and fill the bottle about half full of thinner (small bottle). Shake it up good to get any on the cap, blow it out, good to go.

QUOTE: thats funny, for me, i've never considered the cup atop the airbrush as bulky. i am able to manuever the top mounted cup into places i couldn't get my siphon into, ie, wing root areas are a problem for me. shadows? i've never noticed this either.

I used siphon feed brushes for about 12 years before I ever picked up a gravity feed earlier this year. The very first thing I noticed when I started using my 4000 was that big paint bucket sitting up there. I always paint with my light above and behind me slightly, and I got terrible shadows from the paint cup. Finally had to start rearranging my lights when I use a gravity feed brush.

QUOTE: didn't mean to offend anybody here, the fella ask for pros and cons, and i listed the pros and cons of my experiences with both models. if you like siphon feeds, go on wid yo bad seff!! later.

Hey, it didn't offend me, brother. I apologize if I came on too hard. Chalk it up to a lousy week at work and a general bad attitude

Airbrushes are just like anything else, everyone has their own peresonal preference and arguing the pros or cons is like trying to get a Chevy guy to buy a Ford. It ain't gonna happen

i have 4 air brushes and its only because i feel to keep the air brush working with the same paint at all times. I have one that i use only for Aclaid chroming stuff this is because the Aclaid is not the easy stuff to clean up in the world so i use my Aztech for this. I have 3 Paashe VL Pros one is for Acrylic water base only.. one is used for Acrylic Lacquer Urethane for the color coats and base coat. and the other is for the Clear Coat.

I know it sounds a lot but i realy do not think of it as this and at $3 for a pack of mixing jars i have enuff to cover all 4 of them to keep them to there own paint styles.

Chas
Shaw Custom Aluminum Headers

The way it looks only one airbrush will not fill a modelers needs.

LOL, well, here we are at the cross roads of personal preference again scott!! as far as cleaning goes, a while back i owned a VL and i remember the pain in the rear it was to clean the obtuse angle from the siphon tube to the main body of the airbrush. i did alot of T-shirt spraying and would run the appropriate thinner throught the brush, and when i broke it down after a month or so of use, i'd always get a big clump of paint right in the backside of the angle part, and it was a pain to get completly scrubbed out. with the gravity feed, you pop off the aircap, take out the tip, and you got a straight shot right to the color cup and you can see your paint cavity very plainly. thats what i like about a gravity feed, the paint only travels a very minimal distance to the exit. with a siphon, the paint has a little further to travel(more waste). then, when you hook up the thinner bottle, you always had that annoying left over paint that gets all over the rim of the thinner cup, so you have to stop and wipe this off. or, if you are using the metal cup, you have to clean out the long tube that goes from the bottom of the cup to the airbrush, and the cup itself. i don't know, i may be a little wierd, but all of that is just annoying to me.

thats funny, for me, i've never considered the cup atop the airbrush as bulky. i am able to manuever the top mounted cup into places i couldn't get my siphon into, ie, wing root areas are a problem for me. shadows? i've never noticed this either.

didn't mean to offend anybody here, the fella ask for pros and cons, and i listed the pros and cons of my experiences with both models. if you like siphon feeds, go on wid yo bad seff!! later.

QUOTE: QUOTE: and before you ask, no, the top mounted cup doesn't get in your line of sight to the subject. Mine does! Not to mention the shadows it casts.

This is among the many reasons I like the smaller gravity cups such as Omni 5000, Paasche VJR and Eclipse BS.

QUOTE: 2. easier to clean, which also translates to less waste

Never been able to figure out where people came up with that one. I have both styles and the siphon feed brush is no more difficult to clean than the gravity feed. Pour some thinner in the bottle, swirl it around a little, blow it out the brush. How is that more difficult than pour some thinner in the cup, swirl it around a little, blow it out the brush?

QUOTE: 4. you don't have a bulky paint bottle swingin' around the surface of your subject.

True. You have a bulky cup on the top that's in the way.

QUOTE: and before you ask, no, the top mounted cup doesn't get in your line of sight to the subject.

Mine does! Not to mention the shadows it casts.

QUOTE: as for the compressor, i'd recommend something with a tank and regulator, and don't forget to purchase a moisture trap. later.

I agree 100% with that part

well, i spray the appropriate thinner through mine until it comes out clear, then load up the next color and spray for a second or 2 just incase then, let it rip on the next color. as far as breaking the brush down and doing a major clean, its according to hom much you use it. just guessing, after about 30 or more hours of use i'd break it down and do a major clean. you don't need an airbrush for each color, only T-shirt artists make enough money to do that!!LOL later.

Thank you four your tips.

Thats probably why I am having a bad time with the airbrush. I think I will look for another compressor.

By the way, how often do you clean your airbrush, or how long does it take to you to use it until you need to paint something of a different color?
Or do you have more than one airbrush?

the double action Paasche should serve you well friend. as for the gravity feed vs. suction, i prefer gravity feed for the following reasons:
1. as already mentioned, you can use very small amounts of piant which translates to less waste.

2. easier to clean, which also translates to less waste

3. able to spray at a considerably lower air pressure, which is essential to fine line spraying, which translates to less overspray, which also translates to less waste.

4. you don't have a bulky paint bottle swingin' around the surface of your subject.

and before you ask, no, the top mounted cup doesn't get in your line of sight to the subject. but, you should be fairly happy with the Paasche after some practice. as for the compressor, i'd recommend something with a tank and regulator, and don't forget to purchase a moisture trap. later.

this compressor will make you more happy out of the two, scroll down the the bottom of the page and you will see it. it's cheaper than the other one too... and I suspect it is quieter as well...

http://www.badger-airbrush.com/garagesale.htm

I'm not sure abouth the compressor. It says it only goes to 25 psi. I don't think that's very good...

The Pasche made airbrushes are among the best. Everyone has their own preferences but you should have good luck with it once you get the hang of it. You know what they say "Practice, Practice, Practice". Gravity feed vs. suction is once again a personal preference. I kind of like the gravity feed because I 'm better able to use really small quantities of paint. Having said that I have a Badger Anthem which is suction feed and it works great.

John