Acrylics vs. Enamels

Vridis, this is one of those questions that often comes down to personal preference.

I like acrylics because they are less noxious than enamels, important when you share your craft room with the household autorities, can be thinned with water or alcohol, and therefore clean up is both easier and faster than with enamels. This is especially so when airbrushing.

Having said that it takes time to get used to brush painting acrylics, as they dry faster than enamels and therefore require a slightly different technique. I still use enamels for some detail work, just because I have them and can't bare to waste them.

Hope this helps

Karl

I'm a die-hard enamel user myself. I've pretty much been using MM enamels as long as I've been modeling. I don't mind the cleanup, and I work in my garage, away from the "household authorities" as it were.

It's all a comfort level and what you are used to using. I really like the finish I get from enamels, especially when airbrushed. However, I've heard others that swear by their acyrlics.

Good luck, whatever you choose!

Acrylics for me.

Here are two long threads on the subject:
Thread #1
Thread #2

The article by Foster7155 in the second one is especially good

QUOTE: Originally posted by MusicCity The article by Foster7155 in the second one is especially good

Thanks! I really appreciate the kind comment.

[Remainder of post deleted by the author]

Good luck...

As stated above, it's a matter of personal preference. I chose to go the acrylic route for about 90% of my painting. Anything that is airbrushed will most definitely be acrylic. Easier to use, easier to clean, nice results. I only use enamels for some brush painting, and even that not much.

Ooops, apparently I didn't dig deep enough.

Thanks for all your replies. There is some great information there. Exactly what I was looking for!

And thanks, MusicCity, for providing the links to those similar threads.

im Guess when you say Acrylics you are talking about Water base... There is a New Paint line Called Auto Air Color and they have a very fine line of new paints in Water base but like all Water Base if you want it to look good and be pretected you have to shoot it with Urethane Lacquer Clear Coat and this will make it look as good as any Enamul or can Lacquer out there. Also if you are in to doing a lot of graphics then this will be right up your way because if you mess up all you have to do is wash it off and start over. After each coat of graphics you would want to shoot on what they call inter coat clear or Mid Coat Clear (same stuff) this will pertect the stuff you have done already and you can paint over the top of this.

QUOTE: Originally posted by SCH3 im Guess when you say Acrylics you are talking about Water base... There is a New Paint line Called Auto Air Color and they have a very fine line of new paints in Water base but like all Water Base if you want it to look good and be pretected you have to shoot it with Urethane Lacquer Clear Coat and this will make it look as good as any Enamul or can Lacquer out there.

Auto Air is also supposed to be heat set which might be troublesome on plastics, although a hair dryer would probably do the trick.
Auto Air doesn't have to be clear coated with uros, but they are the best.
Also remember that urethane clears are the most toxic paint you can spray as they contain isocyanates.
Auto Air is also much harder to find locally so mail order would most likely be needed each time you bought some.

Mike

QUOTE: Originally posted by MikeV QUOTE: Originally posted by SCH3 im Guess when you say Acrylics you are talking about Water base... There is a New Paint line Called Auto Air Color and they have a very fine line of new paints in Water base but like all Water Base if you want it to look good and be pretected you have to shoot it with Urethane Lacquer Clear Coat and this will make it look as good as any Enamul or can Lacquer out there. Auto Air is also supposed to be heat set which might be troublesome on plastics, although a hair dryer would probably do the trick. Auto Air doesn't have to be clear coated with uros, but they are the best. Also remember that urethane clears are the most toxic paint you can spray as they contain isocyanates. Auto Air is also much harder to find locally so mail order would most likely be needed each time you bought some. Mike

Auto Air does not have to be Heat to dry them.. I think you are thinking of the old stuff and the new stuff is a lot different. Because they do not attack the plastic at all in any way shap or forum. But it does ask to Clear Coat with Urethane Lacquer Clear which is the best results.. And fineding them its easy and do not have to mail order them inless you live in the woods or on top of a mountin. lol Just go down to your local Body Shop and they can order them in or even may start carrying them because of the Fed's are pushing a lot harder in to wanting this stuff the top of the line market. Also Auto Air is working on a Clear Coat for there paint line that will be as hard as Urethane Clears are.

QUOTE: Also Auto Air is working on a Clear Coat for there paint line that will be as hard as Urethane Clears are.

Can you provide some more info on this new clear that you expect to come from Auto Air? Two-part, single part, expected release, etc?

i think styrene will have something to say here!! lol. i prfer enamels because i think the AB smoother and better.

QUOTE: Originally posted by SCH3 Auto Air does not have to be Heat to dry them.. I think you are thinking of the old stuff and the new stuff is a lot different.

From Createx's website:

"Curing in Open Conditions- Recommended minimum temperature 70ºF and low humidity. Curing Auto Air Colors in humid or cold damp conditions may require extended exposure to heat. Use airflow to speed up drying time. Cure when colors are wet or dry.

Auto Air Colors are cured with heat. Use heat gun or infra-red lamp to cure colors. If not curing with heat, allow colors ample time to dry prior to taping or clear coat application. Drying time will vary depending upon environment.


In Infra-red lamp (IR) – allow lamp to cure colors at a safe distance generally over 12 inches to prevent blistering paint. Duration may vary from 5 – 30 mins. coat buil-up, wetness and conditions. Cure colors dry to the touch without tack.


A heat gun is effective when curing smaller areas such as body panels, tanks, fenders, helmets, etc. Generally colors cure 1-2 minutes per square foot. Keep heat gun moving and at a safe distance of 6” or more to avoid blistering. Cure colors dry to touch without tack."

Although they don't have to be heatset, Createx does recommend it. That is what I was referring to.

QUOTE: But it does ask to Clear Coat with Urethane Lacquer Clear which is the best results..

Urethanes and lacquers are two different clearcoats.

QUOTE: And fineding them its easy and do not have to mail order them inless you live in the woods or on top of a mountin. lol Just go down to your local Body Shop and they can order them in

If the body shop has to order them then why not just call Dixie Art or Bear Air and order them yourself?

Mike

I can not say on what it is all i know is the person that has the michigan area has talk to us about this. I wanted it more to bring to the hobby line and offer it to you people on this product. Its not the same stuff that Cretix had on there line years ago so it is way different and if you think it comes out looking any different please look in my Photo Album

http://public.fotki.com/shawCustom/shaw_show_cars_for_2004/page3.html

This was the test body.. its done in White base coat sealer 2 coats and then 3 Coats of Flame Oragne with 2 coats of Urethane Laqcuer clear over this is all. At the Paint shop today they said it looks better if night brighter then the Urethane Color paint jobs that i have done already. You can look at all the other models in my folders and this is the only body that has ben done using the water base paints and they are the top of the line and my list as of now because of health issues.

Mike hate to tell you but you where at the wrong site to read on this issue it is not a Cretix paint line








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2230 Spring Lake Road
Farmers Branch, TX 75234
(972) 241-2838
Gladwin Paint Company
8305 Springdale Road
Austin, TX 78758
(512) 420-9400

Gladwin Paint Company
2000 Broadway St
San Antonio, TX 78215
(210) 223-2695
Gladwin Paint Company
2010 East Oltorf Street
Austin, TX 78741
(512) 444-9919 Gladwin Paint Company
2515 LaSalle Avenue
Waco, TX 76705
(254) 759-0123
West Texas Auto Color
1302 Avenue "E"
Lubbock, TX 79401
(806) 762-5180
T-N-T Colors Services Co, Inc.
503 Summit
Gainesville, TX 76240
(940) 668-8515 Herweck's
300 Broadway
San Antonio, TX 78205
(210) 227-1349

Ellis Color Supply Inc.
11570 Reeder Road
Dallas, TX 75229
(972) 241-9706
Ellis Color Supply inc.
11014 Garland Road
Dallas, TX 75218
(214) 320-9832 Ellis Color Supply Inc.
4312 East Belknap Street
Haltom City, TX 76117
(817) 831-2200
Brault Auto Paint & Supply
810 West Road
Houston, TX 77038
(281) 999-6858
Brault Auto Paint & Supply
211 S. Persimmon #220
Tomball, TX 77375
(281) 351-2494
Ellis Color Supply inc.
4312 Live Oak Street
Dallas, TX 75204
(214) 827-0750
SETAPE
1498 College St.
Beaumont, TX 77701
(409) 832-4407 SETAPE
701 East Texas Avenue
Baytown, TX 77520
(281) 428-1219
Texas Art Supply
2237 Vose Rd.
Houston, TX 77057
(713) 780-0440

Auto Color Specialist
316 West Lamar Street
Sherman, TX 75090
(903) 892-4004

SETAPE
4600 Baldwin
Corpus Christi TX 78408
361-884-4173
Ken Brault Supply
6003 Bellaire Blvd. Suite E
Houston, TX 77081
713-660-9291
Innovative Designs
911 E University
Edinburg, TX 78501
(950) 320-1429

Texas Art Supply
1507 Baybrook Mall
Friendswood, TX 77546
(281) 486-9320
Texas Art Supply
2001 Montrose Blvd.
Houston, TX 77006
(713) 526-5221



Utah [top]
Call 1-800-509-6563
Virginia [top]
Tape Inc.
3322 Virginia Bch Blvd.121
Virginia Beach, VA 23452(757) 486-1748

Plaza Artist Materials3045 Nutley Street #17
Fairfax, VA 22301
(703) 280-4500


West Virginia [top]
Automotive Color Technology
3529 University Avenue, Unit B
Morgantown, WV 26505
(304) 598-1042 Automotive Color Technology
1140 Speedway
Fairmont, WV 26554
(304) 367-1187


Wisconsin [top]
Sam's Auto Supply
1167 Vernon Street
Altoona, WI 54720
(715) 836-6600

APS Fox Valley, Inc
2120 W Nordale Drive
Appleton, WI 54914
(920) 731-2772
Metro Auto Sales & Body Shop Supply
1281 Velp Avenue
Green Bay, WI 54303
(920) 496-3440

Wyoming [top]
Call 1-800-509-6563
Washington [top]
Art Supply Northwest
7207 Evergreen Way
Everett, WA 98203
(425) 353-3084
Canyon Auto Paint Supply
12811 Canyon Rd East # 2
Puyallup, WA 98373
(253) 535-1335 The Clover Leaf
4110 Main Street
Union Gap, WA 98903
(509) 453-8959
Washington D.C. [top]
Plaza Artist Materials
1990 K Street N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20006
(202) 331-0126


Spokane Art Supply
1303 North Monroe Street
Spokane, WA 99201
(509) 327-6622


Mail Order and Internet Sales [top]
Bear Air
1-800-232-7247
Airbrush-Depot Dick Blick Art Materials
1-800-447-8192

Dixie Art Supplies
1-800-783-2612 AATriceco Coast Airbrush
(714) 635-5557
B & E Automotive
1-888-689-7054
www.paintguys.net


Canada [top]
Curry's Art Store
490 Yonge Street
Toronto, Ontario
M4Y1X5
(416) 967-6666
Curry's Art Store
344 Queen Street West
Toronto, Ontario M5V 2A2
(416) 260-2633
Curry's Art Store
7131 Kennedy Road
Markham, Ontario
L3R 9B4
(905) 940-8388


Loomis Art Store #237
Heartland Town Center/785 Britannia Road West
Mississauga, Ontario
L5V 2Y1
(905) 363-2788
Curry's Art Store
755 Queensway East #106 - 108 Mississauga, Ontario L4Y 4C5
(905) 272-4460
Loomis Art Store #232
2501 Hyde Park Gate, Building A
Oakville, Ontario
L6H 6G6
(905) 829-9181

Artists' Emporium
1610 St. James Street
Winnipeg, Manitoba R3H 0L2
(204) 772-2421
Loomis Art Store #251
499 Bank
Ottawa, Ontario
K2P 1Z2
(613) 238-3303
Curry's Art Store
520 Bryne Drive, Unit E
Barrie, Ontario
L4N 9P6
(705) 728-0505
Curry's Art Store
610 King Street West
Hamilton, Ontario
L8P 1C2
(905) 529-7700 Omer DeSerres #02
480 Caron Street
Quebec, Quebec
G1K 5W9
Omer DeSerres #20
4065 Taschereau Boulevard
St-Hubert, Quebec
J4T 2G8
(450) 443-6669


Omer DeSerres #01
334 Ste-Catherine East
Montreal, Quebec
H2X 1L7
(514) 842-6637 Omer DeSerres #22
Place Ste-Foy/2580 Laurier Boulevard
Ste-Foy, Quebec
G1V 2L1
(418) 650-1500

Omer DeSerres #25
1604 de l'Avenir Boulevard
Laval, Quebec
H7S 2N4
(450) 682-8707
Loomis Art Store #450
1629 Main Street
Vancouver, BC
V6A 2W5
(604) 681-7351
Colours Artist Supplies
3411 20th Street SW
Calgary, Alberta T2T 426
(403) 417-2010 Loomis Art Store #331
1548 Barrington Street
Halifax, Nova Scotia
B3J 3X7
(902) 425-5566


Wallack's Art Shop
290 Princess Street
Kingston, Ontario K7L 1B5
(613) 549-5806 Wallack's Art Shop
231 Bank Street
Ottawa, Ontario K2P 1W9
613) 234-1800 Wallack's Art Shop
Stafford Center
3657 Richmond Road
Nepean, Ontario K2H 5B7
613) 596-1001
Colours Artist Supplies
405 2nd Ave. North
Saskatoon, Sa S7K 2C1
(306) 665-4911 Colours Artist Supplies
10660 105th Street
Edmonton Alberta, CN T5H2W9
(780) 426-7820
Colours Artist Supplies
414 Graham Avenue
Winnipeg, Manitoba
R3C 0L8
(204) 956-5364



International [top]

Createx-Handels GmbH
Kirchhoff- Str. 7 - 24568 Kaltenkirchen,Germany
tel/ +49 4191 882 77
fax/ +49 4191859 12
www.createx-gmbh.de BAM Best Art Material ag
Postfach,
Schwimmbadstrasse 45
CH-5430 Wettingen 1 Switzerland
+41 56 430 19 19
I & J Print & Sign Supplies
Cosmopolitian Court, Unit 6 7/64 Wollongong Street
Fyshwick, ACT
AUS
2607
61 2 6939 1036


SM Designs
22A Red Brae Road
Carrickfergus
Co Antrim
Northern Ireland, BT38 9DG
Tel/Fax: (028) 9336 8980
International: +44 28 9336 8980
Rep. Ireland: (048) 9336 8980
www.smdesigns.co.uk
Custom Colours
Lot 22 Tiers Road
Woodside South Australia
AUS
5244
+61 8 8389 8674

Auto Care Products
#75 Wulff Road
A.C. Burrows, Bahamas
(809) 325-8648
BAM Corp.
Borrero Art Materials
12 & 14 Palmer Street
Bayomon, Puerto Rico 00961-5635
(787) 740-3070


Barbados:
Creative Notions
Jordans Mall
Speightstown, St. Peter
Barbados W.I.
(246) 422-5622


Puerto Rico:
Arte y Mas, Inc.
Carolina Shopping Court, Suite 115A
65th Infanteria ezq. Roberto Clemente
Carolina, Puerto Rico 009850
(787) 750-6115






AUTO AIR COLORS
14 Airport Park Road,
East Granby, CT 06026

PH 800-509-6563
FX 860-653-0643



And also you are right that the Lacquer in a can and Acrylic Urethane Lacquer is two different stuff... The can maybe like what you buy Dupli is crap when it comes to the Acrylic Urethane Lacquer that is a two part and is harder and nicer looking then what you use.

Also Here is the Link to the Main Site and read up on it might help you if you go to the right link in stead of wanting to think Cretix had this stuff.

http://www.autoaircolors.com/

SCH3,

You should do your homework before you spout off at the mouth
Createx is the company that produces Auto Air.
I DID NOT say that it is the same product as Createx.
They are very similar but not the same.
I have been using Createx's products for 12 years now and I think I know what I am talking about.

The quote I posted was from the AutoAir website, not the Createx website.

Auto Air's address:

AUTO AIR COLORS
14 Airport Park Road,
East Granby, CT 06026

Createx's address:
Createx Colors
14 Airport Park Road
East Granby, CT. USA 06026

Wow! I would say that is the same company wouldn't you?
I just love it when newbies come here and think they know more than the rest of us.


Mike

Spout off all i was trying to help some one instead you want too run your mouth off.. So take it some where els maybe like over to the 1320 guys they might help you out.

Well let's see, I have almost 5000 posts here and you have less than 20.
Are we to take your word for it then?
It is obvious from your lack of spelling and grammer that you are obviously young and just trying to be helpful. I appreciate that but learn some respect from those in the know.

Mike

I guess school is out for Christmas huh?
Have a nice day kid.

Mike

What ever fly boy.. then answer his quition on when the clear coat is suppost to be out or do you not know this hummmmm........................ I bet you can not answer it and i darn well know you do not know any thing about it. Do you..
NO

Hokay, folks, this one's getting a little too heated. Let's agree to disagree, each of us do careful research on any products we use, and enjoy the upcoming holiday.

I'd also suggest that people learn a little grammar and spelling.  Some of the posts throughout this thread have been utterly incomprehensible.  I came to it hoping to learn a little about acrylics versus enamel, and I can't even tell what people are talking about.

Stephan

MikeV wrote:

Auto Air's address: AUTO AIR COLORS 14 Airport Park Road, East Granby, CT 06026 Createx's address: Createx Colors 14 Airport Park Road East Granby, CT. USA 06026

Ahhh... I miss Connecticut... 

Nah... me hav'in fun chasing bears and moose!  

Wow this was an old heated thread.

Acrylics vs. Enamels?
Do a model with each and see what you prefer.
They both have their good and bad points. At least from what I've read here.

 

CHILL! :)

Nice way to de-archive long forgotten threads!

The bad thing is, I remember this thread  from way back when, I'm getting on in age.. (In FSM years that is)... 2004 was a good year for arguments evidently...

tho9900 wrote:

The bad thing is, I remember this thread  from way back when, I'm getting on in age.. (In FSM years that is)... 2004 was a good year for arguments evidently...

that Tom