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    November 2005
Lead Paint Help
Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 24, 2004 8:08 PM
Hey everyone. I know I really havn't been around lately, but I've got a question. My Grandfather Scratchbuilt a model of the ship the Queen Mary, which is perminantly located in Long Beach CA. He built it out of thin cardboard that came with dress shirts and the whole thing is about 5 feet long![:0] He built it when he was 16, which puts the model at about 65 years old (built in 1939 ish). Well it has decades of dust on it and it's really banged up, but he asked me to restore it. Before I get to business on working on it, I need to know if he painted it with lead paint. I asked him and he couldn't remember. Does anybody have any lead awareness sites or lead paint info? I have no clue when lead paint was used and when they stopped making it and things like that. Is there any give aways I can find out by looking at the paint? Thanks for looking and pics of my grandpa's Queen Mary will be in the ship forum in a week or two (hopefullyWink [;)]). Thanks!
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  • From: Alice Springs Australia
Posted by tweety1 on Friday, December 24, 2004 9:35 PM
My knowledge of Lead based paints is restricted to Australian Regulations and OH&S Standards here, which in itself is totally pathetic, but is being reformed.

In saying that, I would have to say that you could be guranteed that at least 1, and most certanly more, of the paint products your Grandfather used do contain lead in one form or another.
ie- Organic base and Inorganic base etc.

Living in the States gives you a bit of a benefit, and heres a site that may prove useful to you.
http://www.leadinspector.com/

It is ment for homes, but show me a company back then that DIDN'T have a finger in numerous pies.

Hope this helps
Cheers
Sean
--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
  • Member since
    August 2003
  • From: Alice Springs Australia
Posted by tweety1 on Friday, December 24, 2004 9:44 PM
Here's a couple more.
I don't know exactly what part of the US you would come under, but it gives you a general idea, and maybe some assistance in finding more info.

May seem a tad overboard, but Lead is not something to muck about with.
After all, Safety is no Accident!!

http://www.epa.gov/earth1r6/6pd/lead/lead.htm
http://tms.ecol.net/realestate/lead.htm
--Sean-- If you are driving at the speed of light and you turn on the headlights, what happens???
  • Member since
    May 2003
  • From: The flat lands of the Southeast
Posted by styrene on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 3:14 PM
Hi, Ryan.
Hope you don't mind me jumping in here, but I think the BEST thing you can do is to get the paint tested for lead--and you can do it yourself. Try your local hardware store, or maybe safety supply house and get a lead test kit. Typically, the kit consists of a pad that is saturated with a chemical compound. You rub the saturated pad on the paint, and if lead is present it turns pink or bright red. If no lead, then there is no color change.

If no lead is present, have fun in the restoration.

If lead IS present, then the only thing I can tell you is that the effort needed to perform a restoration and keep contamination down is going to be very prohibitive, and somewhat problematic. All work will have to be done using wet methods. No dry sanding, grinding, or chipping is allowed. The only recommended way to remove lead paint is through a chemical strip, and that will have a negative effect on your work since the substrate is cardboard. Even a wipedown to remove years of collected dust should be done wet., since the dust will contain lead. Do NOT use the household vacuum cleaner to do any precleaning. And any cloths or rags used for cleaning should be thrown away when finished--don't wash them with the family laundry. You may want to give serious consideration to wearing some disposable coveralls to avoid getting lead dust in your clothes.
It may be that the best way to proceed would be to work the model with the paint in place. Make sure you wear gloves, and a respirator equipped with HEPA or P100 filters is a requirement. Try not to use power tools like drills, Dremels, sanders, etc.; perform everything by hand using wet methods. In addition, you aren't allowed to eat, smoke, drink, or chew gum while working. When finished for the day, perform a complete wet wipedown of your work area , and dispose of any used cloths in the trash. Oh, yeah, keep the wife and children away from what you're doing....

Lastly, repainting will encapsulate any lead present, so a complete lead paint removal will probably not be necessary.

Sorry for rambling. I was writing as thoughts entered this old brain. There's probably more I could tell you; if you have any specific questions I can help you with, please don't hesitate to e-mail me. Working with lead can be tough, but the consequences of not following some work process standards can be tougher.

All the best,
Gip Winecoff

1882: "God is dead"--F. Nietzsche

1900: "Nietzsche is dead"--God

  • Member since
    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 3, 2005 9:00 PM
Thanks for all the usefull info everyone! I'm pretty sure my Grandfather's Queen Mary was painted with lead paint thanks to the Gov't sites. Thanks for the first hand info styrene! I'll get pics up as soon as my Dad mails it to me... Thanks again!
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