What do you use to get a dull finish?

Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

What do you use to get a dull finish?

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 16, 2005 11:07 PM

I've heard of people mixing future with tamiya dullcoat or powdered talc to get a dull finish, but my local hobby shops don't carry tamiya products and I'm too nervous to try the talc trick.

I have some testors matte lacquer, but I've heard that it yellows and until I get a respirator, I'm trying to avoid harsh chemicals as much as I can.

Thanks!

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maddafinga

Member since
March 2003
From: Broken Arrow, Oklahoma

Posted by maddafinga on Monday, May 16, 2005 11:17 PM

Lately I've been using Humbrol Matt Cote in the little tin. I thin it with laquer thinner and have excellent results. I've heard wonderful things about Polly Scale clear flat, but haven't been able to put my hands on any as of yet. Model Master is supposed to make an acrylic flat that should be okay to use as well. I'm sure other guys will be here pretty quickly with other excellent solutions. Best of luck!

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HeavyArty

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December 2002
From: Valrico, FL

Posted by HeavyArty on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:35 AM

Testorss Dulcote in a rattle can or in a bottle that you can thin with lacquer thinner and spray through your airbrush. I have used it exclusively for years and had no problems with yellowing or anything else.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:37 AM

Do you mix these things with future or are these supposed to be used right out of the tin?

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maddafinga

Member since
March 2003
From: Broken Arrow, Oklahoma

Posted by maddafinga on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:39 AM

The only flat that you mix with Future is the Tamiya flat base. It's not a flat coat, so you can't put it on directly, you've got to mix it with an acrylic, and Future makes a very nice carrier for it. The rest of this stuff, you mix with thinner and spray or paint on your model.

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madmike

Member since
July 2003
From: Perth, Western Australia

Posted by madmike on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:10 AM

Pollyscale flat or Vallejo flat are the best around IMHO.

Be careful with the use of Future/Tamiya flat base as the wrong rtio will end up casuing frosty spots on your model.

I beleive Swanny on his "Complete Future" website has correct ratios to give varying degrees of sheen.

cheers

Mike

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waikong

Member since
December 2002
From: NYC, USA

Posted by waikong on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:05 PM

I've used Dullcote, the Tamiya flatbase, MM flat, and so far have settled on PollyS flat. Its acrylic also, so much safer. Sprays right out of the bottle so no mixing needed.

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knight667

Member since
January 2004
From: Philomath, OR, USA

Posted by knight667 on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:19 PM

I use Testors Dullcote exclusively for my flat finishes. Never had a problem with it, and it goes on over Future quite well.

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mm23t

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September 2004
From: Tulsa, Oklahoma

Posted by mm23t on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:48 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by knight667

I use Testors Dullcote exclusively for my flat finishes. Never had a problem with it, and it goes on over Future quite well.

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ABARNE

Member since
February 2003
From: Southern California, USA

Posted by ABARNE on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:20 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by madmike

Be careful with the use of Future/Tamiya flat base as the wrong rtio will end up casuing frosty spots on your model.

Good point.

1 part Flat Base to 4 parts Future gives a nice flat finish that won't frost up.

If one uses less Future, there is a risk of frosting.

Andy

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 5:57 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by mm23t
QUOTE: Originally posted by knight667
I use Testors Dullcote exclusively for my flat finishes. Never had a problem with it, and it goes on over Future quite well.

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MusicCity

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January 2004
From: USA

Posted by MusicCity on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 8:41 PM

Tamiya XF-21 flat base in Future works well but you said your LHS doesn't carry Tamiya.

Testors Model Master Acryl Clear Flat also works well but the finish is not dead flat.

I recently tried Pollyscale Clear Flat at the recommendation of many people and I'll stick with it. It works very well.

All three of these are acrylic, not laquer. I do not like laquer clear coats, but that's just my personal preference.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:33 PM

thanks a lot guys!

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peglegrc

Member since
January 2005
From: Tehachapi, Ca.

Posted by peglegrc on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 3:08 AM

Don't be nervous about using talc..I've used it for many years...Just put a small pinch in a couple drops on a palette and mix well..Use it on a test piece and you'll see its a piece of cake to make your own and you can make any gloss or simi-gloss paint flat!... I promise you that!..."RC" Cowboy [C):-)]

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ajlafleche

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December 2002
From: Massachusetts

Posted by ajlafleche on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 8:19 AM

Avoid Tamiya Flat Base. Worst product on the planet. Think about it...here's a dulling agent you have to mix, just so, with a gloss agent to get a flat finish...Whaen there are multiple other products that need no such mixing! Who came up with that idea?

As with Gino, I've used Dull Coat shot through an AB for years with no yellowing. Polly S works well if you prefer an acrylic.

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tweety1

Member since
August 2003
From: Alice Springs Australia

Posted by tweety1 on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:56 AM

I have tried many supposed 'Flat Coatsin my time, and none of them came upto my expectations.

I model WWII a/c, and weather them to suit decent amounts of usage (clean and sparkly a/c give me the ****s).

The only thing I found that I feel suits my models is the Tamiya base and Future.

I feel the biggest plus of this is the diversity you can get.
From 2 products costing a total of naff all, you have all your finishes from gloss to dead flat.
And they last a hell of a long time.

Each to their own I guess Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

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peglegrc

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January 2005
From: Tehachapi, Ca.

Posted by peglegrc on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 12:18 PM

[limegreen]

Originally posted by ajlafleche

Think about it...here's a dulling agent you have to mix, just so, with a gloss agent to get a flat finish...Whaen there are multiple other products that need no such mixing! Who came up with that idea?[/limegreen]
[size=3][/size=3You don't have to "Mix just so"... All you do is put a small pinch of Talcum powder on top of Any gloss paint and mix it till its dissolved into the paint and its Flat. you can put in a little thinner if you think its too thick, only takes a second to do......You can make "any" gloss paint flat in a minute!....And any color!
If you've got a need for a flat finish and you don't have flat paint, you don't have to run to the LHS and buy some...You can mix your own and pick up some flat next time your in town....This has been used for many years and that is how the company's make their paints flat too..."RC"

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ajlafleche

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December 2002

From: Massachusetts

Posted by ajlafleche on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:36 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by peglegrc

[limegreen]
Originally posted by ajlafleche

Think about it...here's a dulling agent you have to mix, just so, with a gloss agent to get a flat finish...Whaen there are multiple other products that need no such mixing! Who came up with that idea?[/limegreen]
[size=3][/size=3You don't have to "Mix just so"... All you do is put a small pinch of Talcum powder on top of Any gloss paint and mix it till its dissolved into the paint and its Flat. you can put in a little thinner if you think its too thick, only takes a second to do......You can make "any" gloss paint flat in a minute!....And any color!
If you've got a need for a flat finish and you don't have flat paint, you don't have to run to the LHS and buy some...You can mix your own and pick up some flat next time your in town....This has been used for many years and that is how the company's make their paints flat too..."RC"

I was talking about Tamiya's flat base, not talc.

Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

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peglegrc

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January 2005

From: Tehachapi, Ca.

Posted by peglegrc on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:57 AM

"Opppp's Sorry!"........

"RC"

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roosterfish

Member since
November 2003

From: Stockton CA USA

Posted by roosterfish on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 9:56 PM

Am I the only one that uses Krylon Matte Finish 1311 to put a matte finish on my models? I pick it up a big 11 oz. can cheap at the arts & crafts store two blocks away from me. The can says, “Eliminates Glossy Sheen, Creates a Soft, Satin Finish.”

A little “whoosh”, a little drying time and I have an instant and cheap matte finish for my models that will rival the little expensive can of Testors Matte Finish. I’ve used it for years with no yellowing.

Buy one can of the Krylon Matte Finish and with the money you save you can buy a couple of bottles of paint.

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jinithith2

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January 2005

From: returning to the FSM forum after a hiatus

Posted by jinithith2 on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:03 PM

I use Model Master flatr coat

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