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Why do different thinners make such a difference?

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Why do different thinners make such a difference?
Posted by TryintoModel on Wednesday, August 3, 2005 9:41 AM
I had to put my airbrushing on hold for almost a year because I moved. I finally built a spraybooth and was ready to pick it up again. But I had forgotten what to mix my enamel paints with. I had Lacquer Thinner, Acetone, some hobby lobby paint thinner, and Mineral Spirts. I couldn't remember why I had 4 different ones or which to use. I was using MM enamel paint. I tried the lacquer thinner first and it didn't mix well. I tried to paint with it anyway and it wouldn't paint evenly and came out real "wet". I tried mineral spirits and it was like night and day. Other than figuring out the psi and having to add a bit more spirits to get rid of the spitting, it worked great the rest of the evening. My question is, why do paints react differently to different thinners, and if they do, why doesn't the paint tell you what you should mix it with. And what in the world do I have acetone for? I must have bought it for something, can't remember though. I guess I'm getting old, lol.
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Posted by ckfredrickson on Wednesday, August 3, 2005 4:16 PM
My surfaces and colloids class didn't really get into the whole chemistry of paints area(well, if it did, I wasn't paying attention), but my guess would be that the surface chemistry of the suspended pigment particles is basically incompatible with the components in the thinner.

Going by the material safety data sheets (MSDSs), laquer thinner is a mixture of toluene and ketones, both of which are polar. Mineral spirits are listed as aliphatic hydrocarbons, which are generally non-polar. (And looking at this paragraph, it relies way too much on freshman chemistry and probably makes absolutely no sense to 90+% of the forum membership, so I'll stop there).

In my experience, paint companies tell you to thin/clean up with products from their own line to increase their bottom line... why have you buy somebody else's stuff when they can sell you their own?

As to the acetone, maybe you tried to cleaning with it... I consider it to be safer than lacquer thinner.
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Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, August 3, 2005 4:32 PM
I use acetone to thin putty... I havent heard it used as a thinner... it's too "hot" to use to clean the model too...

Lacquer thinner should have thined your paint ifit was enamel, lacquer thinner doesnt care much WHAT the paint is unless it is water based, it will cut through it. Mineral spirits is less 'hot' than lacquer thinner and a good number of people use it for thinning their enamels. But different kinds of paints often use different thinners.. linseed oil or turpentine for oils, alcohol or water depending on which type of acrylic, mineral spirits or petroleum distillates (name brand model paint thinners) for enamels. Lacquer thinner for lacquer.

Basically its just based on what the paint is made of as to what you use to thin it...

On a side note lacquer thinner is great to clean an airbrush with... (except for o-rings and rubber parts)
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by TryintoModel on Wednesday, August 3, 2005 4:37 PM
I think you got it right, ckfredrickson, I think I bought the acetone to mix in with my putty to make it easier to work with. I probably read that somewhere and ran out to buy it and haven't had to use it much and forgot, hehe.
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Posted by ckfredrickson on Wednesday, August 3, 2005 7:11 PM
Actually, it was tho who suggested thinning putty... (by the way, when I said cleaning, I meant the airbrush, not the models... acetone will cut right through polystyrene). While tho's also right about lacquer thinner cutting through most every kind of paint, I think there's a difference between cutting through (i.e. a cleaning application), and it's ability to serve as an effective pigment carrier for thinning.

But I'll admit, I have no experience working with lacquer thinner... if others have had success with it, please speak up.
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Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, August 3, 2005 7:38 PM
CK -

I thought it odd but evidently it's really a charm, some here experimented and loved spraying tamiya acrylics with lacquer thinner as a thinner... said they went on like magic...

Personally I moved to Vallejo as using distilled water, or their version of thinner has less of an odor and I dont worry about my few brain cells so much...
---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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