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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:57 PM
Cool, thanks! yeah the Vallejo bottle is about $4 for a 30ml bottle so a quart for $17 is a steal! Many things you said about it sound the same. With the Vallejo "thinner" (it's supposed to be ready to airbrush from the bottle) it slows drying time drastically and really helps with adhesion, in restrospect it is a 3:1 ratio (one drop thinner for every 3 drops of paint) so sounds about the same in that area too.

Good luck to you!
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Posted by MusicCity on Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:52 PM
Tom, I got it at a local art supply store. The name of it is Plaaza but they aren't a big chain. Hobby Lobby or Michaels probably has it as well. It's not cheap but I suspect it's still cheaper than Vallejo. The bottle I got is about a quart in size (it's in the basement, I'm not) and cost $17. They have smaller bottles though but the reduction in price isn't linear Tongue [:P]

I'm going to play with it some more this weekend and see how it goes. From what little I've done with it I like the results.
Scott Craig -- Nashville, TN -- My Website -- My Models Page
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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:34 PM
Scott- I'll be watching your tests... it will be interesting to see how the Golden Medium works for ya. It sounds a bit like the Vallejo "thinner" which is not so much a thinner but a retarder and adhesion agent. It too has a whitish cast to it.

Using it with my Color of Eagles paints has led to no tape pull up or nicks due to clumbsy modeling since I started using it. I am interested in this as the Vallejo agent is a bit expensive I am sure compared to the Golden AB Medium. Where did you buy it at? I am wondering if my hobby lobby has it...
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Things To Play With
Posted by MusicCity on Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:24 PM
I got an email from a guy earlier this week about things people use to thin acrylics, and it got me thinking about acrylic additives in general and ways to make them work a little better.

From my point of view the two drawbacks with acrylics are: 1) Super fast drying time that causes roughness on the surface and drying on the airbrush tip; 2) Frequent lack of adhesion to bare styrene and the frequent necessity to prime the surface with enamel or laquer primer.

The email I got recommended Golden Airbrush Medium. According to the Golden web site it is primarily for their fluid acrylics, but gentleman who sent me the email earlier said that he uses it with modeling acrylics so I gave it a try.

I sprayed a piece of styrene with MM Enamel (because I needed to check the color) and then when it cured I sprayed a section with PollyScale acrylic right frmo the bottle and an adjoining section with the same acrylic reduced 1:1 with Golden Airbrush Medium. The area that used the airbrush medium is MUCH smoother than the area without it, and at a 1:1 ratio it took several hours to dry to the touch so it certainly eliminates the drying problem. It sprayed a good bit smoother although it was a little on the thin side. I think 1:1 is a bit much though, and 2:1 would probably be better overall. The medium is white and it does cause a slight change of shade in the paint. Going 2:1 instead of 1:1 would probably eliminate a lot of that as well.

I didn't check the adhesion because the acrylic was sprayed over enamel. I'll spray a bare piece of styrene with acrylic with and without the airbrush medium this weekend and see if I can tell a difference.

Since I was in an experimental mood I took things one step further. I use Liquitex FlowAid in washes (thanks Swanny) to allow the wash to flow easier, so I started wondering what would happen if it was used in Future. I sprayed the hop half of my sample piece with a single coat of Future right from the bottle. The lower half was sprayed with a single coat of Future reduced 20% with Liquitex FloaAid. The half with the FlowAid is much smoother than the area without it and over a flat surface one coat was almost enough to wash or decal over whereas I usually have to spray two coats to get it smooth enough.

I haven't tried either of these techniques on a live model, but am going to do so. Admittedly this was a small test, but the results were good enough to make me want to give it a bit more of a workout and see what happens.
Scott Craig -- Nashville, TN -- My Website -- My Models Page
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