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Banning enamels
Posted by osher on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 7:41 AM
The EU has brought in a law which will ban the use of solvents in Britain and Europe. This I've heard will force the end of enamel paints in 2007. Is this true? Can enamels be made without the banned solvents? Basically...what's happening? Can anyone answer this?
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Posted by styrene on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 11:56 AM
Is this what you are referring to?

Government Actions to Ban or Restrict Chlorinated Chemicals

Due to the growing and well documented serious health problems being seen in animal and human populations, many Government agencies, public health, and environmental organizations have called for phasing out or severely limiting the use of chlorinated chemicals(28,13). The International Joint Commission on the Great Lakes, the 1992 Paris Commission for the Prevention of Marine Pollution, and many U.S. or international environmental organizations have called for phasing out chlorinated chemicals. The Society of Environmental Toxicology and Chemistry has called for restricting or banning chlorinated chemicals that are highly toxic, persistent, and bioaccumulative. These include dioxins, furans, PCBs, and many chlorinated pesticides. The Canadian Government announced that Canada is moving aggressively to implement this policy. Germany and other European countries have placed severe restrictions on use of chlorinated chemicals and plastics such as PVC, Studies also show that use of chlorine dioxide by paper mills rather than chlorine for bleaching would greatly reduce dioxin emissions, as most European countries have done(30)....

Check this link for the entire article: http://www.flcv.com/endocrin.html

Looks like the EU is also following a U.S. (EPA) lead on banning certain chemicals in use in the electronics industry. Check this link for more information (There's a table of the proposed chemicals on the second page):

las.perkinelmer.com/content/RelatedMaterials/eu_weee_rohs_bro.pdf

From what I could find, the EU is trying to control such things as chemicals used in dietary supplements, Sudan I dyes (food type), chemicals associated with animal testing and the cosmetics industry, and alternative health substances (could be redundancy from dietary supplements?) that could destroy TOOTH ENAMEL.

Couldn't find anything on solvents used in the preparation of enamel paints. Besides, the solvents used in these paints are used in endless other industrial applications. I don't see how any work could be accomplished if these solvents were discontinued...

Hope this helps, and I hope this on the right track.
Gip Winecoff

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Posted by styrene on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:03 PM
With all its associated hazards, I think the entire WORLD should ban dihydrogen oxide!!

Big Smile [:D]GipBig Smile [:D]

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:05 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by styrene

With all its associated hazards, I think the entire WORLD should ban dihydrogen oxide!!

Big Smile [:D]GipBig Smile [:D]


get kinda thirsty, though, wouldn't we?
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Posted by styrene on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 12:14 PM
I just found this at this link: www.tsgusa.com/IEMPages/IEM2004/May-June 2004 IEM.pdf

Volatile Organic Compounds
On March 30, 2004, the European Parliament approved the Council Common Position
on the proposed Directive on the limitation of emissions of volatile organic compounds
due to the use of organic solvents in decorative paints and varnishes and vehicle
refinishing products and amending Directive 1999/13/EC (Ref.: COM(2002)750). The
purpose of the Directive is to limit the total content of volatile organic compounds
(VOCs) in paints and varnishes. It implements a two-phase approach to be in place by
January 1, 2007 and by January 1, 2010. It does not impinge Member States to take
more stringent measures in a way to protect consumers and workers. It also provides
exemptions for paints for historic buildings or vehicles that require original paints. The
Directive will be published in the Official Journal, within 18 months of which Member
States must implement the Directive’s provisions.

The US EPA has been doing the same thing for the past 20 years as part of the Clean Air Act through SARA Title III and TRI reporting requirements. As a result, manufacturers have been putting lower VOC solvents into their paint formulations. Paints have not been banned, just made a little "greener". Looks like the EU is headed in the same direction...

Gip

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Posted by Bgrigg on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:02 PM
I've been reading up on Dihydrogen Oxide, and frankly I'm worried...

QUOTE: Dihydrogen Oxide (DHO) is colourless, odourless, tasteless, and kills
uncounted thousands of people each year. Most of these deaths are caused
by accidental inhalation of DHO, but the dangers of Dihydrogen Oxide
do not end there.

Prolonged exposure to it's solid form causes severe tissue damage.
Symptoms of DHO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination,
and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte
imbalance.

Not only is DHO dangerous to humans it is also extremely hazardous to
the environment. It is a major component of acid rain, it contributes
to the greenhouse effect, and is a common cause of erosion of our natural
landscape.

Worldwide contamination by DHO is reaching epidemic proportions. Quanti-
ties of the chemical have been found in almost every stream, lake and
reservoir in Australia today. But the pollution is global, and the
contaminant has even been found in the Antarctic. So far governments
and environmental watchdogs have been indifferent to the problem.

Despite the danger DHO is widely used as an industrial solvent and
coolant, in nuclear power stations, as a fire retardant, as an additive
in certain junk foods and other food products, and in a wide variety of
other uses. Companies routinely dump DHO into rivers and oceans, and
nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal.

The Australian government (In fact no government) has refused to ban the
production, distribution or use of this damaging chemical due to its
'importance to the economic life of the nation'.

In fact the U.S. Navy and other military organizations are conducting
experiments with DHO, and designing multi-billion-dollar devices to
control and use it during warfare situations. Hundreds of military
research facilities receive tons of it through a highly complicated
underground distribution network. Many store huge quantities for
later use.

Act now to prevent further contamination. Find out more about this
dangerous chemical.


It's enough to start someone drinking! Shock [:O]

/edited for stupid typos!

So long folks!

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Posted by styrene on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:31 PM
Whoa! It looks as though the DHO problem is more serious than I had first anticipated!

Excellent hazard assessment, Bgrigg! What on earth are we to do?


Gip
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Posted by Tankmaster7 on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 3:21 PM
I dunno, but DHO is also commonly found in cancer tumors!! LOL. I wonder if anyone actually falls for that. I personally prefer dihydrogen monoxide.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 3:55 PM
There was a skit several years back on Saturday night live where some "spokesman" was representing chemical manufacturers.. he was going on and on about the safety of common chemicals,, H2O, NaCl, etc.. and how they were "common, ordinary water, or common, ordinary salt".. Jane Curtain asked him if he wanted a glass of H2SO4, and while he was eagerly gulping it down, she says.. "common, ordinary sulphuric acid".. about the time he gagged and fell off his chair.. :) It was great..
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 5:33 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Bgrigg

I've been reading up on Dihydrogen Oxide, and frankly I'm worried...

QUOTE: Dihydrogen Oxide (DHO) is colourless, odourless, tasteless, and kills
uncounted thousands of people each year. Most of these deaths are caused
by accidental inhalation of DHO, but the dangers of Dihydrogen Oxide
do not end there.

Prolonged exposure to it's solid form causes severe tissue damage.
Symptoms of DHO ingestion can include excessive sweating and urination,
and possibly a bloated feeling, nausea, vomiting and body electrolyte
imbalance.

Not only is DHO dangerous to humans it is also extremely hazardous to
the environment. It is a major component of acid rain, it contributes
to the greenhouse effect, and is a common cause of erosion of our natural
landscape.

Worldwide contamination by DHO is reaching epidemic proportions. Quanti-
ties of the chemical have been found in almost every stream, lake and
reservoir in Australia today. But the pollution is global, and the
contaminant has even been found in the Antarctic. So far governments
and environmental watchdogs have been indifferent to the problem.

Despite the danger DHO is widely used as an industrial solvent and
coolant, in nuclear power stations, as a fire retardant, as an additive
in certain junk foods and other food products, and in a wide variety of
other uses. Companies routinely dump DHO into rivers and oceans, and
nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal.

The Australian government (In fact no government) has refused to ban the
production, distribution or use of this damaging chemical due to its
'importance to the economic life of the nation'.

In fact the U.S. Navy and other military organizations are conducting
experiments with DHO, and designing multi-billion-dollar devices to
control and use it during warfare situations. Hundreds of military
research facilities receive tons of it through a highly complicated
underground distribution network. Many store huge quantities for
later use.

Act now to prevent further contamination. Find out more about this
dangerous chemical.


It's enough to start someone drinking! Shock [:O]

/edited for stupid typos!


I'm supprised at you Bgrigg, really am
You suffer more ill effects sitting in the morning traffic to work than through "normal" exposure to modeling chemicals.
I'm allways amazed at these "shock-horror" publications, yes it's very bad for you, yes it is bad for the earth, don't drink it and don't pour it down the drain then!
We all have access to waste recycling , we all have access to PPE, use common sense and and a bit of four thought and you'll still live to be an incontinant burdon to your familyBig Smile [:D]
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Posted by Bgrigg on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:11 PM
We really need a "tongue in cheek" emoticon. Maybe I should have used Tongue [:P]? I thought the "enough to start drinking" comment indicated sarcasm enough for even the British to comprehend. Perhaps their humour is too dry?

I'm also surprised to find that you didn't know that Dihydrogen Oxide is WATER! So I can pour it down the drain! LOL

So long folks!

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 6:36 PM
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Posted by grandadjohn on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 8:49 PM
I remember readingin the newspaper years ago that drinking to pure of water is hazardous to your health(no joke)
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Posted by eizzle on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 8:57 PM
Most companys are already offering acrylic versions of all colors. I have paint from Tamiya, Testors, and Model Master (yes, i know, still testors) that are all acrylic. I don't really see the problem with using them, they paint just as well, and don't look any diffrent, so what is the big deal, seriously, tell me.

Colin

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Posted by Bgrigg on Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:30 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vapochilled

Disapprove [V]


Oh, I missed the edited post?

Come Vapo, you're not really angry are you? I'se only funning ya!Big Smile [:D]

So long folks!

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Posted by IceDragon122 on Saturday, October 1, 2005 1:18 AM
"Di-Hydrogen Oxide" = H20.....its water........its the chem term for WATER! =]

-Brian
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Posted by Thehannaman2 on Sunday, October 2, 2005 2:14 PM
Thanks professor.

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