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Enamel primer and acryl
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 17, 2005 4:42 PM

First time post and I’d like to say hey to all, I’ve been following this forum for about a month now and I final have a question to ask.

Can I use Testors Model Masters Primer 2737 and then use Model Masters Acrly for a top coat?

I tried an experiment with the two and it didn’t seem to work out very well. The Acryl stayed tacky for some time and it didn’t cover any better than without primer.

I’ve been out of the hobby for some time and it looks like there have been a lot of changes in how paint is viewed and used.

The model I’m going to be using Acryl on is a test model for the paint to see how I like it.

I like the idea of water wash up.

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Posted by MusicCity on Thursday, November 17, 2005 7:32 PM
Primers won't make acrylics (or any other kind of paint) cover any better or worse, that isn't their job.   How the paint is sprayed or brushed determined how it covers, although the color underneath may make it seem like it covers differently (spray white paint over white plastic sometime).  Primers adhere to styrene better than most other paints and in turn most other paints adhere to primer better than they do to bare styrene.  This is very important when using acrylics since their adhesion isn't as strong as enamel or laquer to begin with.

As to staying tacky for some time, while acrylics do normally dry very quickly there are several things that could cause them to remain tacky.  High levels of humidity in the air or spraying them over an uncured base are the two most common.  Sometimes they just seem to stay tacky because they feel like and no other reason.  You didn't say what (if anything) you used to thin the acrylic with, and some brand-name acrylic thinners contain retarders to slow down the drying time.  Retarders are normally a good thing since acrylics dry much to fast without something to slow down the drying time.

Scott Craig -- Nashville, TN -- My Website -- My Models Page
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Posted by clairnet_person on Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:09 PM
Sign - Ditto [#ditto] exactly musicCity
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Posted by tho9900 on Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:26 PM

hey Scott and welcome aboard!  Quick question, how long did you let the primer dry?  I've used the Testors Grey primer and it seemed like it took a bit to cure good.  Longer than the krylong primer I have used ever since.  Maybe your primer wasn't cured?

Typically for MM Acryl it takes about 10 to 15 min to be dry, 24 hours maybe more till I feel safe it is cured.

The other question was raised before, what did you use to thin it with?

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 18, 2005 3:55 PM
I gave the primer 24 hours to dry and I didn't thin the Acryl. I just brushed both on some scrap plastic. 
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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, November 18, 2005 9:42 PM

ahhhh.. I just thought of something.... you might need to thin the acryl a bit and use several thinned coats to paint it until it is covered.  I was thinking airbrushed and airbrushing leaves a much thinner coat on the plastic than brush painting.  Maybe it needed some more time... thin it and put it on some scrap and see how fast it dries.  You might need to put it on in several coats waiting in between for it to dry...

MM can even be thinned with alcohol, although I like the way it settles down with Tamiya thinner or an Acrylic retarder (also called airbush medium)

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, November 19, 2005 8:03 AM
Thanks for the advice.
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