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What Am I Doing Wrong
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 4, 2005 4:22 PM

I just started using Acrylics and I’m having a hard time air brushing it. It seems to be drying out in the air brush rather fast. It starts out O.K. but with a few seconds in between starting and stopping spraying it seems to dry out. I have to give it full throttle and then back off on the paint flow hoping to keep it going. It’s like the finer the line I try to spray the faster it dries out. If I lower the psi nothing comes out until I get the psi up to around 15psi. (Not real sure how accurate the gauge is)

I’m using the Paasch VL air brush between 15-20 psi with the fine tip. I’m also using Model Masters Acrylic and the Model Masters Acrylic Thinner at about 4-1.

Also if I thin it out more it blows like water and runs.

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Posted by Bgrigg on Sunday, December 4, 2005 6:17 PM
Sounds like the paint is drying out to fast at the tip. Keep a Qtip close at hand with thinner or Windex on it to swab the tip (pull back the needle, don't use air!). You can also use an acrylic retarder that slows down the dry time. Model Master Acryl paints are supposedly pre-thinned, try not thinning at all. Thinner speeds up drying.

http://www.craigcentral.com/models/ is full of great advice on thinning, airbrushing and acrylic paints.


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Posted by thevinman on Sunday, December 4, 2005 7:40 PM
Bgrigg is right, get some acrylic retarder. Also, if you need to spray a fine line, you need to really thin that paint down and lower the pressure way down. If I read your post correctly, you said you use a 4:1 Paint:Thinner ratio @ 15-20 psi...You need to thin it a lot more. I go anywhere between 1:3 and 1:7 Paint:Thinner ratio @ 10-5 psi and I spray 1/4 to 1/8 of an inch to the model...relatively close. That's my My 2 cents [2c] on getting a fine line.
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Posted by KJ200 on Monday, December 5, 2005 6:09 AM

Sign - Ditto [#ditto]

I'd definitely play with the paint to thinner ratio, as 4:1 is way too high. I usually mix 50:50 with Gunze.

You might want to try Tamiya Acrylic Thinner, as it contains a retarder which prevents the paint drying too quickly.

Karl

Currently on the bench: AZ Models 1/72 Mig 17PF

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 5, 2005 9:49 AM
i don't know how fine a line you need but you might just try using a medium-sized nozzle.  but 4:1 thinner definitely sounds kinda thick.
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Posted by Jeff Herne on Monday, December 5, 2005 1:14 PM
I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum...

I tend to run thin paints at high pressure and low volume.

I'll spray acrylics at 30-40psi, thinned so the paint has the consistency of milk. Anything more and it splatters and clogs the tip, anything less and it spiders.

If your paint is drying too quickly, using a retarder is one way to fix it, but...when I thin paint, I  typically use a 50-50 mix of water and rubbing alcohol as my thinner. Try increasing the amount of water in the mix.

Jeff

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Posted by thevinman on Monday, December 5, 2005 3:33 PM

 Jeff Herne wrote:
I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum...

I tend to run thin paints at high pressure and low volume.

I'll spray acrylics at 30-40psi, thinned so the paint has the consistency of milk. Anything more and it splatters and clogs the tip, anything less and it spiders.

If your paint is drying too quickly, using a retarder is one way to fix it, but...when I thin paint, I  typically use a 50-50 mix of water and rubbing alcohol as my thinner. Try increasing the amount of water in the mix.

Jeff

Do you have to move fast? @ 40 PSI, you are shooting a lot of paint.

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Posted by Jeff Herne on Monday, December 5, 2005 4:29 PM
Not really, I said high pressure and low volume...I can do extremely fine lines with my Iwata. By minimizing the amount of paint,  the higher pressure provides much more control and minimal overspray. I've gotten to the point where I can spray a complex scheme without masking using this method. Obviously, for sharp lines, I need to mask, but soft-edged camo patterns are no problem.

Jeff


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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 5, 2005 6:26 PM

Does dish soap really work for a retarder?

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Posted by Lufbery on Monday, December 5, 2005 7:08 PM

That's what I've used, but I'm only using a single action, external mix airbrush right now. Are there other acrylic retarders?

Regards,

-Drew

Build what you like; like what you build.

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Posted by tho9900 on Monday, December 5, 2005 7:23 PM

yeah there's several paint mfgr's out there with retarders.  Createx, Liquitex and a few others I can't remember.  I have the Liquitex Airbrush Medium and it works well.  I got it at Michaels...

Something else that works good for tip dry is airbrush needle lube, Badger Regdab Needle Juice or Iwata Medea lube work great and are only about $5 for a jar that lasts forever!  It helps give a surface the paint has a harder time to stick to.  Just a tiny thin coat of it over the front 3rd of the needle does it.  You can also put a drop or so down in the trigger assembly to give a smoother pull on the trigger.

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