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Armour Nicknames?
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:11 AM
What colours would have ben availbile during the war to paint armour nicknames/art on they tanks/armour. Was paint hard to get? What would common colours be?  What was painted pinups and Disney tm like you see in some pichures.


THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR THE HELP!

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Posted by gburdon on Monday, December 12, 2005 11:22 PM

Raventutor:

You seem to primarily build Commonwealth kits by the questions in your previous posts. So to answer your question partly. Paint of all colours as required for military uses was of priority issue. However a review of many photos of vehicles and armour most "Nicknames" appear to be in white or light gray. As I previously mentioned paint was not hard to get at first for military uses, however once the Liberation of the Continent began paint could and would have been subject to two factors supply and demand. So some paint could have been scavenged from the local area. A reference for you to consider at the end of the war a Regiment of Sherman M4A4's and Firefly's were repainted with captured surplus Kriegsmarine Grey paint.

As far as Pin-Ups and Caricatures being painted on armour, so far I can not find any supporting references of such items. This seems to be an Air Force style of painting. That's not to say it never happened, however you'd need to find reference to portray a specific vehicle.

Of course it is your kit to build and paint as you want. A popular cartoonist/comic strip writer for the Canadian overseas newspaper was a fellow named Bing. He created the character Herbie and there are a couple books that show all of his cartoons from the Italian campaign and the European Theatre that may give you some ideas for a "Canadianized" cartoon for the side of your armour. Or it may inspire a diorama.

If you are intent on using some of the Disney or Warner Bros. cartoons you can find references to which characters were around by either a visit to the video store or a search of the internet for the 1940's era of cartoon characters. There were tons of them.

You will probably come across "Kilroy was here" as a popular theme during your search. This was a common graffiti across the theatres of Italy and Europe. The real Kilroy was an inspector in the dockyards that built the Liberty ships and other transport vessels. Mr. Kilroy would check the work of dockyard workers and would "sign" Kilroy was here as proof of his checks throughout the construction of the ship. So many soldiers, sailors and airmen on the ships over to the war saw this slogan throughout the ships that eventually they ended up scrolling it on everything and anything.

Just a bit of useless/useful trivia for you.

Hope this helps with the build.

Cheers;

Gregory

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:18 PM
What tamiya color would best match this light grey you speack off. becuase of what you said it I put a name on my quad which I plan to (Boom Boom Betty) or (Annilation Annie) either one. would be in Tamiya


X2 White

and for grey

X19 Smoke
XF12 J.N Grey
XF25 Light Sea Grey
ZF19 Sky Grey
XF53 Neutral Grey
XF20 Medium Grey

Which would be the best grey to use for this purpose and the most accurate. as being accurate to real life is the first priority to me. The name on the side just is some "artistc merit" and also since sign maker painted the insignia on vechiles would the letter be in a cursive script. Like Pinstriping kind off or just stenciled on. I am guessing it would be crudely done? Thanks for the help.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:21 PM
I bevlive my friend Curtis Remmington plans on doing a model of the sherman you are talking about it has red towropes too I belive. He was telling me about those.
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Posted by gburdon on Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:46 PM

Raventutor 11

Use the Sea Gray. Stenciling it on will look much better than just slapping it on.

Cheers;

Gregory

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:15 AM
I hate to ask you whats  seems lke a trivial question but which sea grey is most corrrct?



Smile [:)]Door # 1- XF25 Light Sea Grey

or


Smile [:)]Door # 2-XF54 Dark Sea Grey

I like Tamiya paint. So far being as it is my first model.


THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR THE HELP.





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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:20 AM
And about the disney thing. If I ever do a ship. Idnt think I will but if I do I am would use a "steamboat willie" cartoon.    Also I can't find any references to this "Herbie" by Bing you talked about. All I can find is the car Herbie love bug and I am sure thats not what you are talking about. And I did not meant slapp it had make it look as if a solider painted it on. Also I am going to put Annalition Annie on the quad not the 25 pounder as a pun of "Annie get your gun" Get the pun?Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:31 AM
I found some herbie cartoons now. But was "Herbie" a specidic character in th series? or was th series caleed Herbie?

Thanks for all the help from a fellow CanuckBig Smile [:D]

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Posted by gburdon on Monday, December 19, 2005 8:09 PM

Raventutor11;

Either will work fine. The light sea gray may show up better against the base colour of the vehicle.

 There is an alternative way you can "paint" this on. If you can find a typewriter correction tape (Business Depot, Office Depot) these look like a piece of white tape that you would place over a mistake on a typewritten page and "white-out" the mistake with. It is basically the same as a dry-transfer. If you can find a package of these you can with a sharp pencil write slogans, nicknames etc on pretty much any item you place them against. These are really useful for making markings such as loading instructions that were written on in chalk.

Hope this helps.

Cheers;

Gregory

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Posted by gburdon on Monday, December 19, 2005 8:15 PM

 Raventutor11 wrote:
I found some herbie cartoons now. But was "Herbie" a specidic character in th series? or was th series caleed Herbie?

Thanks for all the help from a fellow CanuckBig Smile [:D]

Raventutor11;

Herbie was a specific character in the series. Canadian troops modified the "Kilroy was here" (that I mentioned to you elsewhere) to read "Herbie was here!"

Bing Coughlan ran his series of cartoon in the overseas newspaper "The Maple Leaf" each were published starting in the Italian campaign and continuing through the Northwest Europe campaign. If you get a chance check at your local library to see if they have any of the books he wrote after the war or maybe they have some of the actual overseas newspapers on file.

Cheers;

Gregory

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Posted by gburdon on Monday, December 19, 2005 8:23 PM

 Raventutor11 wrote:
And about the disney thing. If I ever do a ship. Idnt think I will but if I do I am would use a "steamboat willie" cartoon.    Also I can't find any references to this "Herbie" by Bing you talked about. All I can find is the car Herbie love bug and I am sure thats not what you are talking about. And I did not meant slapp it had make it look as if a solider painted it on. Also I am going to put Annalition Annie on the quad not the 25 pounder as a pun of "Annie get your gun" Get the pun?Big Smile [:D]

Raventutor11;

Annalition is correctly spelled - Annihilation (just so you know)

The pun works well. For future projects that you may want to name, some were created from popular songs of the day "Pistol Packin' Mama" would work for another artillery based project.

Other than that. Good luck with the build. Post some photos when you're finished.

Cheers;

Gregory

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 22, 2005 3:41 PM
Thank you for da info my sherman when it is started wil difently have Herbie was here written on it. Thanks for the cool info. Look above at my question which sea grey is the one to use.

Door 1 or Door 2, 1 or 2 thats is the question.

Also white or flat white?


Thanks in adavance for halping me with the color for my quad name.

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Posted by gburdon on Thursday, December 22, 2005 4:39 PM

Raventutor11;

Use the Light Sea Gray with a Flat White. No trouble on the information. That's what the forum is for. Passage of information and answering questions.

Cheers;

Gregory

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