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How/when to clean my new AB?
Posted by jcfay on Sunday, December 18, 2005 7:34 PM

Howdy - newbie to AB here, just received my badger 360 in the mail and now I'm experimenting with it and trying not to butcher anything and I had a few questions about cleaning.  I read the post below about cleaning between color changes, and I've read a bunch about cleaning the AB in general, but I'm wondering just how thorough people are (and how thorough one must be) routinely in cleaning to keep my spanking new AB in fine working order.  A nice article in FSM had an elaborate rinsing and cleaning process (referenced in the airbrush How-to or FAQ section) which, of course, varied by enamels vs. acrylics as medium.  With the former it is rinsed with mineral spirits and cleaned with lacquer thinner, and with the latter it is rinsed with distilled H2O and cleaned with windex.  Disassembly always occurred at the end to clean, and the FSM description really was pretty time-intensive with multiple rinsings and many steps (7 steps for rinsing and 7 for cleaning, I think).  There are other sources, however, (including the included badger manual which was kind of spotty) that had a much more simplistic technique - just rinse thinner through til its clear and that's about it.  I'm just wondering what people routinely REALLY do.

I'll be working with both media, but for now I'm experimenting.  I brushed a bit on some old plastic bottles (tamiya acrylic unthinned) for practice and then I had to blow distilled water and a whole bunch of windex through the brush, then take a qtip to the needle.  I airbrushed for 5 minutes and cleaned for 10.  Then today I tried spraying future (thinned 1/4 with windex) on an old model and then I had to do the whole cleaning process again.  Tomorrow I'm hoping to try some enamels and more acrylics and just get the show going.  But I'm wondering just how aggressive I should be, or people are routinely, in cleaning and how this process varies by medium used.  I just want to keep this puppy in fine working order, and I figure the collective wisdom out there has got some answers.  Also, do people always finish cleaning with distilled water, or would you finish an enamel paint session with lacquer thinner and then clean the AB.  Aren't lacquer thinner, mineral spirits, and windex potentially caustic if any residue hangs around?  Thanks all for your help and advice as usual!  Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by bablenw on Sunday, December 18, 2005 8:25 PM

jcfay;

Welcome to the world of airbrushing. It's a great journey into new territories, one which inevitably leads to  the cleaning of the airbrush. 

 I have been using a Passhe H single action model for years, actually I have two and I have developed a method for cleaning that works for me. I use mostly enamels, and now and again I'll dabble in acrylics. With enamels I clean the whole brush with laquer thinner. If  I'm going to shoot a couple of different colors in one sitting I'll blow thinner through the brush until it's clear, then move on to the next color and repeat. Once the session is complete I'll break the airbrush down completely and soak the nozzles in laquer thinner for a couple of minutes, then I 'll use micro brushes to thoroughly clean the tips and nozzles( you can find them in the dental isle of your local drug store or at an arts and crafts store): I used pipe cleaners but I found they leave small threads of the material behind. I also use q tips to clean the out side areas as well. I'll use basically the same technique with acrylics except I'll use windshield washing fluid, water and sometimes rubbing alcohol. Don't for get to clean your bottles, the syphone tubes and other parts as well. A clean airbrush as you will discover or already have, is a definite must. You've already done some experimenting and that's what ultimately will dictate what works for you, get a routing you like and stick to it.

 I also HIGHLY recommend investing in a good respirator, excellent ventilation and keep the kids if you have any, or pets away especially when dealing with laquer and any turpintine/mineral spirits type products and actually any medium of painting you use. One more thing I use are rubber surgical gloves they help keep the paint and cleaning materials off my hands and the keep finger prints off the model. I again found them in the pharmacy/drug type stuff isle in my local Mal Mart store.

  I hope these tips help you and I'm sure others will chime in with their techniques as well. Have fun with your new toy!!Propeller [8-]

 

Neil

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Posted by tho9900 on Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:03 PM

Well you already have the nut and bolts of it.. but something I thought I should throw in as an almost exclusive acrylic user, keep a Q-tip soaked in thinner handy nearby, when you start to have problems with the spray pattern or it just doesnt wanna spray just pull the needle back (without pushing the trigger) and wipe the tip..

I dont break mine down to the point of soaking the tip in lacquer thinner until about 15 hours of use or I notice a problem.  Otherwise I just shoot thinner through it and pull out the needle at the end of the night and clean it..

 

Good luck!  I have the sister brush to the 360, the 155 and I had some good experiences with it!!!

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by MusicCity on Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:11 PM
If you are going to spray for 5 minutes, then yeah the cleaning is going to take longer than the painting session.  If, however, you paint for a couple of hours it still only takes about 10 minutes to clean the brush.  Adjust your painting so that you paint several parts that are the same color at the same time and you'll save a lot of cleaning time.

You DON'T have to completely disassemble the airbrush every time you use it.  When you get through blow thinner through until it comes clean.  I've gotten to the point that I use laquer thinner for cleaning my brush when I finish because it will completely dissolve any kind of modeling paint.  Between colors I use something less evil.  Every couple of weeks, or when the brush starts to feel "Sticky" or the spray pattern will become erratic, disassemble it, remove the air valve, and soak the parts in laquer thinner for a couple of hours. Don't soak the air valve in laquer thinner or you can harm the o-ring in it.

Scott Craig -- Nashville, TN -- My Website -- My Models Page
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Posted by archangel571 on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:22 PM

 MusicCity wrote:


You DON'T have to completely disassemble the airbrush every time you use it.  When you get through blow thinner through until it comes clean.  I've gotten to the point that I use laquer thinner for cleaning my brush when I finish because it will completely dissolve any kind of modeling paint.  Between colors I use something less evil.  Every couple of weeks, or when the brush starts to feel "Sticky" or the spray pattern will become erratic, disassemble it, remove the air valve, and soak the parts in laquer thinner for a couple of hours. Don't soak the air valve in laquer thinner or you can harm the o-ring in it.

Can the washers (100SG) be damaged from soaking in lacquer thinner?  I thought they were silicon but not sure about it has so far stopped me from soaking the entire brush less the air valve in lacquer thinner.

-=Ryan=- Too many kits... so little free time. MadDocWorks
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:32 PM

The Badger 100/150/old stlyle 200 series use a teflon head seal for the head assembly. This is different from the seal in the air valve assembly and not to be confused with the needle seal in the body. The only problem with the teflon head seal is that it is easy to drop it when removing the head assembly for breakdown and/or cleaning. Be careful not to loose it or simply keep several on hand as spares.

 

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Posted by MikeV on Thursday, December 29, 2005 2:35 PM
 H3nav wrote:

The Badger 100/150/old stlyle 200 series use a teflon head seal for the head assembly. This is different from the seal in the air valve assembly and not to be confused with the needle seal in the body.


The needle bearing is also PTFE (Teflon) Wink [;)]

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 29, 2005 3:06 PM

Hey Mike! Yeah, that's what I meant in an implied way.

 

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Posted by MikeV on Friday, December 30, 2005 3:41 AM
 H3nav wrote:

Hey Mike! Yeah, that's what I meant in an implied way.

 

E



Ok. My bad! Big Smile [:D]

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by osher on Saturday, December 31, 2005 2:54 PM
I couldn't work out why my Iwata HP-C stopped working as should be. As all the chaps at my LHS use the Badger 200-9 (also called the 200G) or 200-10 (a single action gravity fed, small cup, either fine (9) or medium (10) nozzle), I decided to get one too from Shesto's (the UK importer - great customer service).

After a while, like with my Iwata, I stripped it down, use lacquer thinner, etc. Since then, it's not worked. Seems that I damaged the seals on it. Basically, I'm using this as a note of caution to others!

Until I can get it fixed, I'm using an Ohmicron cheap AB from ebay, which is fine. I tried an Aztec, but like my previous 2, after a while it just cloggs up, and can't be cleaned.
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Posted by tho9900 on Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:56 PM

interestingly... someone on here posted about the first airbrush made etc today and there is a link to a 1891 airbrushing magazine made by the manufacturer.  in it is a section on "Abuse of the Air Brush" which covers a lot of what has been said in here about total disassembly.

It's on the right side of the page and I believe continued on the next page...

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Trailer/8722/journalpage3.html

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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