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Another Dissatisfied Customer
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:15 PM

of the Aztec airbrush.  Consequently,  I think it's time to give my Aztec A470 the boot.  There seems to be an air delivery problem somewhere inside the internals.  There  are no audible leaks,  the hose is in good shape.  The trouble seemed to start after my propellent can froze the airbrush itself  (see 'Freezing Airbrush' thread). 

With the trigger depressed,  air comes out the nozzle,  but at a very much reduced rate,  I would estimate less than 5% of what it should be.  The result is that it won't even shoot water out of a gravity feed jar. 

I've tried different nozzles,  cleaned them all religiously with laquer thinner,  and even soaked the front of the airbrush in the thinner.  No difference,  at all.  It's obviously not a paint problem.  Anyone else ever have their 470 apart?  I don't see any seals or o-rings in the assembly,  and the moving parts appear to be working properly.  Even with a bad seal,  it seems like there's WAY too much pressure loss.   Too bad Aztec doesn't inlcude a parts diagram with the brush.  Of course,  I know they don't want people opening up the case a working on the brush themselves.  I'm past the point about caring about a warranty.  I'd just like to get a reliable airbrush. 

I did a lot of reading on this forum last night,  and the general consensus seems to be that Aztec is very much an inferior product.  Conversely,  Iwata and Badger seem to be held in fairly high regard.  I'll never go back to an Aztec after this experience,  and that includes Testor's propellent cans.Thumbs Down [tdn]

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Posted by ABARNE on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:08 PM

Your experience is by no means unique.  The symptoms of A470 are similar to what my A430 experienced.  I sent it back to the factory for warranty replacement, but aside from validating that the returned airbrush seemed to work, I have not used it since.  I find it ironic, that for an airbrush whose primary marketing claim is ease of use, that so many peple have problems with the thing breaking down.

During the three week warranty turnaround, I went for a Badger 200NH (single action variation of their Anthem 155), and have been pleased with its performance.  It is certainly no more difficult or time consuming to do its day-to-day cleaning compared to the Aztek, and if a a full break down is needed, disassembling a conventional air brush is actually easier than disassembling an Aztek's plastic tip.

Regardless of what airbrush you end up selecting, propellent cans, whether Testor's, Badger, or generic are the least effective means of powering an airbrush.  You'll be a lot happier with a compressor.

If you do feel like ripping your Aztek apart, here's a French modeller who has done that.
http://www.master194.com/maquettes/autres/aztec.htm

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Posted by eizzle on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:28 PM
Aren't the Azteks basicly marketed as a cheaper way to airbrush? I don't know how much they go for, but guessing from all the threads I have seen about them breaking, it can't be much?

Colin

 Homer Simpson for president!!!

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Posted by wibhi2 on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:37 PM
Do yourself the favor and switch to either a badger, Paasche, thayer and chandler or Iwata. You'll thank yourself in the morning (besides stop wasting time trying to figure out why the piece of ----- won't work)
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Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 5:52 PM

 eizzle wrote:
Aren't the Azteks basicly marketed as a cheaper way to airbrush? I don't know how much they go for, but guessing from all the threads I have seen about them breaking, it can't be much?

they start out around 30 or 40 dollars and I have seen some as much as $136.00 or so.. of course it was a "kit" with all the nozzles and bottles you could want.. but still....

I also am a reformed Aztek user with a lot of the same problems back then...  I own both Iwatas and Badgers now and love both brands!

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by eizzle on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:38 PM
 tho9900 wrote:

 eizzle wrote:
Aren't the Azteks basicly marketed as a cheaper way to airbrush? I don't know how much they go for, but guessing from all the threads I have seen about them breaking, it can't be much?

they start out around 30 or 40 dollars and I have seen some as much as $136.00 or so.. of course it was a "kit" with all the nozzles and bottles you could want.. but still....

I also am a reformed Aztek user with a lot of the same problems back then...  I own both Iwatas and Badgers now and love both brands!

Shock [:O]Black Eye [B)]Dead [xx(] $136!!! Are you serious!!! I paid $70 for my Crescendo 175 and that came with all the tips, needles, a color cup and siphon jar, and 3 mixing cups!!! E'Gads man!

Colin

 Homer Simpson for president!!!

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Posted by Bgrigg on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:52 PM
Ah, but that didn't come in a nice wooden box, did it?

So long folks!

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Posted by smokinguns3 on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:05 PM
 eizzle wrote:
 tho9900 wrote:

 eizzle wrote:
Aren't the Azteks basicly marketed as a cheaper way to airbrush? I don't know how much they go for, but guessing from all the threads I have seen about them breaking, it can't be much?

they start out around 30 or 40 dollars and I have seen some as much as $136.00 or so.. of course it was a "kit" with all the nozzles and bottles you could want.. but still....

I also am a reformed Aztek user with a lot of the same problems back then...  I own both Iwatas and Badgers now and love both brands!

Shock [:O]Black Eye [B)]Dead [xx(] $136!!! Are you serious!!! I paid $70 for my Crescendo 175 and that came with all the tips, needles, a color cup and siphon jar, and 3 mixing cups!!! E'Gads man!

No kidding thats rediculuse for platic AB i was gona get one and decided on the Crescendo 175 kit for $60 bucks from dixie srt.

Rob I think i can I think i can
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Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:15 PM
 smokinguns3 wrote:

No kidding thats rediculuse for platic AB i was gona get one and decided on the Crescendo 175 kit for $60 bucks from dixie srt.

For $136.00 you could get an Iwata HP-CS, air hose, and airbrush holder from dixieart.com, or a Badger 100LG, hose, holder and still come shy $40 or so of that upper line Aztek.

Check this out:  about the same price as a Badger SOTAR illustrator brush, $100 more than the Iwata HP-C, High Performance model:

http://www.testors.com/catalog_item.asp?itemNbr=2260

Actually I was just thinking, that costs more than my Badger 155, 175, and Iwata HP-CR cost me put together!  (Sans wooden case of course! Wink [;)])

 

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:19 PM
 eizzle wrote:

Shock [:O]Black Eye [B)]Dead [xx(] $136!!! Are you serious!!! I paid $70 for my Crescendo 175 and that came with all the tips, needles, a color cup and siphon jar, and 3 mixing cups!!! E'Gads man!

I was wondering... have you used your 175 with the fine needle/nozzle yet?  I have been planning to, but the Iwata takes on most of my fine detail jobs so I keep forgetting.  I was curious how it performed with that size needle...

-=edit=-

Smokin' I just noticed you had one too... how about you?  any painting with the fine combo?

---Tom--- O' brave new world, That has such people in it!
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Posted by eizzle on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:27 PM

 Bgrigg wrote:
Ah, but that didn't come in a nice wooden box, did it?

Nope, just a little cardboard boxSad [:(] Problem is, and somehow I knew this would happen, right after I got done bad mouthing the Aztek, my Badger stopped working??? AHH!!! I push the button and I get no air? Its coming out the line, if I unscrew the fitting I have airflow, but no air when I push the button on the brush?Black Eye [B)]

Colin

 Homer Simpson for president!!!

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Posted by eizzle on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:37 PM
 tho9900 wrote:
 eizzle wrote:

Shock [:O]Black Eye [B)]Dead [xx(] $136!!! Are you serious!!! I paid $70 for my Crescendo 175 and that came with all the tips, needles, a color cup and siphon jar, and 3 mixing cups!!! E'Gads man!

I was wondering... have you used your 175 with the fine needle/nozzle yet?  I have been planning to, but the Iwata takes on most of my fine detail jobs so I keep forgetting.  I was curious how it performed with that size needle...

-=edit=-

Smokin' I just noticed you had one too... how about you?  any painting with the fine combo?

No, Tho, I haven't used anything but the medium needle yet. Doesn't look like I will be for awile either Sad [:(]

 *EDIT*

Well, I was about ready to ship off my A/B for warrenty work cause it wouldn't work, so I put it all together, get the info off the web, clean it up real good, get a box and make the address label, and decide to check it one more time, and of course, it works! Stupid Murphey's Law! Black Eye [B)]

Colin

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Posted by qtaylor on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:19 PM
I've had this problem with my A430, and I think I know your answer.  If you've had this apart already, that's a good start.  I am betting there is paint stuck in the blue plastic tube that exits into the nozzle opening.  If you take it apart, you can flush out the tube and put it all back together.  If you don't take it apart, you need to dig the paint out by hand, without pushing the tube off of its seat and back into the airbrush.

When it happened to me, I did a google picture search and eventually found a parts diagram.

QT
"Neither a purist nor a perfectionist be."
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Posted by qtaylor on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:23 PM
"Neither a purist nor a perfectionist be."
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Posted by smokinguns3 on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 10:30 PM
 tho9900 wrote:
 eizzle wrote:

Shock [:O]Black Eye [B)]Dead [xx(] $136!!! Are you serious!!! I paid $70 for my Crescendo 175 and that came with all the tips, needles, a color cup and siphon jar, and 3 mixing cups!!! E'Gads man!

I was wondering... have you used your 175 with the fine needle/nozzle yet?  I have been planning to, but the Iwata takes on most of my fine detail jobs so I keep forgetting.  I was curious how it performed with that size needle...

-=edit=-

Smokin' I just noticed you had one too... how about you?  any painting with the fine combo?

I really like it i did my ME-109 camo with it its about the only tip i use unless i have something big to do and i really need to buy a new Fine needle just so happens i droped it the first day i got it but i bent it fairly straight still works. I was thinking of getting the 100G or 100SG for the real small paint jobs.

Rob I think i can I think i can
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 11:34 PM

 qtaylor wrote:
I've had this problem with my A430, and I think I know your answer.  If you've had this apart already, that's a good start.  I am betting there is paint stuck in the blue plastic tube that exits into the nozzle opening.  If you take it apart, you can flush out the tube and put it all back together.  If you don't take it apart, you need to dig the paint out by hand, without pushing the tube off of its seat and back into the airbrush.

When it happened to me, I did a google picture search and eventually found a parts diagram.

QT

Thanks for the link QT,  that airbrush certainly looks well used doesn't it?  I've taken the air tubes out,  and they're both clean as a whistle.  I'm going to try a new airhose tomorrow,  failing that,  I'm buying a Paasche VL. 

Some of the parts materials in the pics are different than mine.  My finger wheel is brass,  my attachment arms on the trigger are thin metal rods,  interesting.

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Posted by crockett on Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:27 AM
 RichFLD120 wrote:

 qtaylor wrote:
I've had this problem with my A430, and I think I know your answer.  If you've had this apart already, that's a good start.  I am betting there is paint stuck in the blue plastic tube that exits into the nozzle opening.  If you take it apart, you can flush out the tube and put it all back together.  If you don't take it apart, you need to dig the paint out by hand, without pushing the tube off of its seat and back into the airbrush.

When it happened to me, I did a google picture search and eventually found a parts diagram.

QT

Thanks for the link QT,  that airbrush certainly looks well used doesn't it?  I've taken the air tubes out,  and they're both clean as a whistle.  I'm going to try a new airhose tomorrow,  failing that,  I'm buying a Paasche VL. 

Some of the parts materials in the pics are different than mine.  My finger wheel is brass,  my attachment arms on the trigger are thin metal rods,  interesting.

 

And you will still find people who swear by the Aztec. Kind of reminds me of a certain fable, you know, the one about the Emperor having no clothes?

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