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Vallejo Air Colors?
Posted by NikToo on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 4:39 AM
Hello,

My first post here. Should be getting my first airbrush soon (technically second as I had a Badger so long ago it was mostly used to paint caves) so I've been trying to read up.

My first question, of many, is regarding Vallejo paints. I can get the whole range of either Tamiya or Vallejo Air Color (as well as Game and Model) so I'm just wondering what the pros/cons of it are. I've been using Vallejo Model color for years on tabletop minis so I'm kinda partial to it. The bumpf says Vallejo Air can be used with only a few drops of thinner and it has its own brand of cleaner. Anybody have any thoughts on the subject? I'm just starting with Fine Molds range of Star Wars ships, but might move onto other types of models.

Thanks.
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Posted by tho9900 on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:58 AM

Vallejo makes up 95% of the paints I own now.  It sprays on smoother and holds tighter than any other acrylic I have used.  I exclusively use their thinner on it, although a few times I have used distilled water.  Their thinner has an adhesion aid and retarder in it that makes it flow a bit better.  They are also made for an American company in WWII aircraft colors (UK, US, Germany) and they are of the same quality, they are named "Aircraft Colors" and sold by "Color of Eagles" out of Miami, you can get them online at www.greatmodels.com (search for Color of Eagles) and a lot of hobby stores carry them.  I really like them and it would be hard to get me to buy anything else.  As far as cleaner I just use plain old windex followed by distilled water to clean my airbrush after spraying them.

Here is a color comparison chart done by Darson online here, it helps find the color you need.  It is not 100% complete but a work in progress but it is already pretty full, it is specifically for their Model Air selection.

http://www.geocities.com/tho9900@verizon.net/Vallejo_Paint_Inventory.htm

Good luck!

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Posted by NikToo on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 7:14 AM

Fantastic, thanks for the answer. Have you tried Vallejo Model Color in the airbrush? I have a fairly good selection of VMCs so it'd be great if I could use those.

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Posted by Triarius on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:17 AM
Tom, it's really good to hear your high opinion of these paints, and of their color selection. I'm a great fan of PolyScale, but ever since they were acquired by Testors, I've been waiting for the line to vanish. (Why carry two lines of paint that cover the same market?) So it's great to know there is an alternative.

Vallejo is apparently also very popular with figure modelers and war-gamers.

Just out of curiosity, what are the physical dimensions of Vallejo bottles? I'm planning on making some racks for my paints, and if I start using them, I want the racks to be able to accomodate them.

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Posted by Triarius on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:19 AM
… And welcome, NikToo!

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

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Posted by NikToo on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:22 AM
Thanks, Triarius.

I can tell you that a Vallejo bottle is 3" high and 1" wide. I think the Air Color bottles are the same.
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Posted by Torio on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:20 AM
I would only like to add that Aircraft Colors have their own site : http://www.aircraftcolors.com



Thank you all for coming José

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Posted by waikong on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:04 PM
juat my observations regarding pollyscale, it seems that brand has a large following in the model railroad world and is distinct from the plastic modelling world of the Model Master line.
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Posted by Triarius on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:48 PM
 waikong wrote:
juat my observations regarding pollyscale, it seems that brand has a large following in the model railroad world and is distinct from the plastic modelling world of the Model Master line.


Long may it be so!! I just hope they keep up the military line.

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Posted by cbreeze on Friday, March 24, 2006 6:32 PM

Greetings,

What are you using for a primer.  I tried the Vallejo model colors and found that they did not tolerate handling well and rubbed off easily.

 

Chuck B.

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Posted by tho9900 on Friday, March 24, 2006 7:29 PM

I use plain old Krylon white primer in a can.  I just dust a light coat or two.  Just enough to give the plastic some bite, it doesn't need to hide the plastic totally.  Recently I've been spraying without primer though with no probs.  What were you using for a thinner?  Also I do a very light coat then let it dry about 5 - 10 min then go back in several slightly heavier than the first coats with a few minutes in between each until covered.  I found by giving the first coat enough to dry then the next coats held a little better and it took less to cover.

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Posted by cbreeze on Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:23 AM
It's been a while since I tried the Vallejo brand but I believe I was using Mr. Surfacer which is my preferred primer.  They did brush wonderfully though.  I would like to give them another chance.
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Posted by tho9900 on Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:09 PM
The Model Color and Game Colors lines of Vallejo are supposed to be for brushing, but I brush with my Model Air since I mostly airbrush with it, plus it's already pre-thinned...  Good luck!  Model Air and Model color are mostly the same colors just prethinned for airbrushing or not thinned.  So if you can't get one you can always get the other with the same results.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 26, 2006 3:34 PM

NikToo Hi

reguarding Vallejo paints are great, i have both model air & hand.

I still have tamiya & humbrol paints as i feel they still have a place in modeling, the best thing about Vallejo paint you dont have to use the bad smelling thiners.

The thing i found that priming what ever you are going to paint give it a good coat before using vallejo paints. 

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Posted by NikToo on Monday, March 27, 2006 2:19 AM
Hi Yoda,

Thanks for the info. Very useful. I've gone ahead and ordered a couple of bottles so I'll definitely try it first. Can't really fathom the smell of Tamiya, reminds me of rotten apples.

Have you tried to spray VMC through the airbrush? Thinned, of course.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 27, 2006 7:14 AM

Nik,

I have been using some Vallejo Model Colors for about a year, my wife got me the Earth Tone pack for Christmas last year.  I paint Battletech miniatures and I found that the went on very well with a brush.  The squeeze bottle they come in is easy to use & prevents spills, but I found you really had to shake them a lot to make sure they were mixed.  I also agree with what others have said about how easily the Vallejos would rub off.  So it is important to dullcoat these to protect them.

I did spray them from my Badger 200 and they did pretty well once they were thinned.  I more recently had my 200 refurbished by Badger (for free!) and I also bought a 100G.  With the new brush, I ordered a set of Vallejo Air colors off eBay (25 colors for about 58 bucks).  I used my 100G (fine) for the first time to base coat soem Mechwarrior DarkAge minis with the US Light Grey.  I had already primed these with a can of white enamle primer. Unthinned, it sprayed very cleanly from the 100G though that's not the best brush for basecoating admittedly.  My only problem was that the paint dried very slowly and in some places accumulated to the point where it almost ran.  And in some cases, the thin paint did not cover some dark areas of the plastic very well. As I was alternating light coats on 5 minis, I was concerned about this happening all the time.  It had been raining a lot that weekend, and I was in the garage so the humidity may have been a factor.  I added some alcohol but that didn't seem to help much. 

I tested out my refurbished 200 (fine tip) by putting another light coat of the US Light Grey on the same minis.  This time it went on better and dried faster (I was in the basement).  I can't say it dried fast but it was much better than my first attempt.  I also spayed some of the their primer onto some microarmor tanks.  That went on nicely and I rubbed my fingers over it later after it dried and it stayed on.

One nice thing about the Vallejo Air paint is that it has little if any volatiles in it.  So when you spray it, you don't smell any appreciable fumes (at least I don't).  I have used some of the Tamiya acrylic on some minis and it seemed to have a lot of fumes for an acrylic.  It worked nice but it definitely had an odor.  I also bought some of the Vallejo Air matter varnish but I haven't used it yet.

Has anyone using the Vallejo air noticed that it is a bit slow to dry?  Does the Vallejo thinner help it dry faster, or slower?

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 27, 2006 3:13 PM

NikToo   Hi

No i have not tried them yet i did hope to try to spray before i moved so all my stash of some 30 Dragon & Tamiya kits are all packed. I have left two models to finish off, they will be my first spray jobs once i`ve unpacked.

One other thing that i`ve thought of is Vallejo do a (well i think) DVD on painting fantasy figures but its shown me some diffrent was to paint & shading. Hope this helps Alan

P.S You will have to e-mail Vallejo to ask about the DVD to find out cost!!!.

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