Dilemma - Iwata Eclipse BS, CS or SBS...?

cbreeze wrote:

I have several Iwata's and a Peak C-5.  All nice airbrushes but pale in comparison to the Harder & Steenbeck Evolution 2 in 1.  For about $158.00 U.S from Obeelik's you get an airbrush that comes with two color cups, two needles and a pre-set handle.  It breaks down faster than the Iwata and you can remove the needle from the front of the airbrush.

That sounds like something worth looking at. The needle on the Badger 360 / 155 can also be slid forward significantly, at least enough to wipe it clean before pulling back, by the way.

I just might finish up the body work at least on the bed of the truck and practice on that. This way, if I end up with something decent eventually I can keep it LOL. I also plan on painting up my canoe too, but probably not till spring.

I already told her there's a few things missing she better find. She knows they must be in them boxes. 

You opened the door bro Heck, the truck is a large canvas for ya to test your skills upon. You say it needs body work anyways so, you're not goin' to mess it up any worse than it is Practice practice practice until ya get it down pact then sand her down & practice some more

As fer the camera,... I think I'd have her go through the boxes

Hey bro, I figured that was coming...

My truck is in need of serious body work and a basic paintjob before I do fancy stuff on it.

I might just use it as a practice canvas and sand it back off... who knows.

I'm PO'ed at the wife. She packed the old digital camera up in a box and "thinks" she put it in the shed months ago. Well that narrows it down to roughly 200+ boxes.

Awesome Jim!! just one qucik question.... what are you doing in here when ya ought to be outside playin' playin' with your teuck & the new toy!! cold weather's just around the corner
Oh, Post pics

I finally took a break from my college work, those essay's are killing me!

I hooked up with my buddy a while back and wow was I surprised.

He handed me a nice care package.
I opened the little box to find a used but shiny HP-CS, spare needles, O-rings, gaskets, springs, all kinds of neat stuff including some glass bottles that I can attach to my BCS.

He gave me some pints of different colors of enamel paint, some were even those fancy paints he uses for the murals. He also threw in some DA sanding disks, some ginder disk, different grades of wet & dry and said - "Before the cold weather gets here, go play on your truck. Don't burnout on just college work."

So I'm pretty excited but am wondering when and how to find the time to play now!

hey ryan, relax friend, just giving my opinion is all.  not trying to "prove" anything.  these type threads are circular.  anybody who has been here for a while and posts on the airbrush forum, knows we are beating a dead horse.  making a statement about which airbrush is the "best" or "better", or which is better for this job or that, is all a personal choice.  each one of us have different quirks.  i just found the "best" airbrush for MY needs, and haven't found the need to purchase another since the HP-CS.  thanks, later. 

saltydog wrote:

lets see, i have purchased 5 airbrushes from 4 different companies over the last couple of years, and the LAST one i purchased was the HP-CS................nuff said.  later.

haha, come on that doesn't really prove anything. 

but yea i've been breaking out my HP-SBS more often than my other airbrushes from FIVE companies these days, since I've started to do more aircrafts and using more modelmaster enamels.  as far as my tamiya acrylic goes, the HP-CH and BH still had priority over others.   and even the Tamiya HG Superfine (which shares the same quality as Iwatas) gets to see the daylight once in a while.

lets see, i have purchased 5 airbrushes from 4 different companies over the last couple of years, and the LAST one i purchased was the HP-CS................nuff said.  later.

Hey Tom, Glad to see ya jumpin' in bro

or ya can order the Iwata hose with the Iwata brush and get a two outlet adapter... a "T" adapter.. I am sure dixieart.com has it but so did my local Lowes...  that way i can use either brush at a whim....  good luck!!!

Ivan S. Konev wrote:

I am so glad I found this discussion. I own a badger 150(with as fine head & needle) and would like to get a fine line airbrush, affordably though. What problem's might I encounter hooking up an Iwata to my Badger air compressor(Thayer and Chandler - Air Star V)? Will it require special fittings or adapters? I look forward to owning an Iwata so I can join this Iwata festschrift.

Dixie Art has a Iwata to Badger adapter: Down towards the bottom of the page
http://www.dixieart.com/Hoses.html

I am so glad I found this discussion. I own a badger 150(with as fine head & needle) and would like to get a fine line airbrush, affordably though.

What problem's might I encounter hooking up an Iwata to my Badger air compressor(Thayer and Chandler - Air Star V)? Will it require special fittings or adapters?

I look forward to owning an Iwata so I can join this Iwata festschrift.

 

 

It appears we understand one another

Hippy-Ed wrote:

Better warch yer six bro dem ulterioer motives can really be a royal pain in the rump if ya git my drift

LOL Eddie

I ain't signing no contracts or bending down for dropped parts. 

Ya know what I mean... 

hehe

jhande wrote:

Hippy-Ed wrote: Yup, Looks like you've got a real buddy there my friend I think so, because nothing was mentioned about renting the space hehe.    He did however like how I handled answering the phone and dealing with some customers for him when he was tied up. Maybe he has an ulterior motive?

Better warch yer six bro dem ulterioer motives can really be a royal pain in the rump if ya git my drift

Hippy-Ed wrote:

Yup, Looks like you've got a real buddy there my friend

I think so, because nothing was mentioned about renting the space hehe.   

He did however like how I handled answering the phone and dealing with some customers for him when he was tied up. Maybe he has an ulterior motive? 

jhande wrote:

Hippy-Ed wrote: So Jim, If I read this correctly, your buddy's gonna go through his spares & basically slap something together for ya? Hmmm, that's very nice of him to do so Yes, I thought it was too. I never expected him to make such an offer. Just like what some generous hobbiest have done here with their extra AB's. Maybe he's just tryin' to give ya something so you wont be in his way anymore LMAO... At first that's what I thought too, until he told me I could even bring some of my projects down to his shop if I need a place to work on them. Keep us posted I will bro

Yup, Looks like you've got a real buddy there my friend

Hippy-Ed wrote:

So Jim, If I read this correctly, your buddy's gonna go through his spares & basically slap something together for ya? Hmmm, that's very nice of him to do so

Yes, I thought it was too. I never expected him to make such an offer. Just like what some generous hobbiest have done here with their extra AB's.

Maybe he's just tryin' to give ya something so you wont be in his way anymore

LMAO... At first that's what I thought too, until he told me I could even bring some of my projects down to his shop if I need a place to work on them.

Keep us posted

I will bro  

So Jim, If I read this correctly, your buddy's gonna go through his spares & basically slap something together for ya? Hmmm, that's very nice of him to do so Maybe he's just tryin' to give ya something so you wont be in his way anymore Keep us posted

Sorry guys, forgot to update this thread... actually I lost it too LOL 

My buddy borrowed that Harder & Steenbeck Evolution 2 in 1 AB. He sprayed with it most of the day and let me have a few shots with it here and there while I was playing with a few other AB's most of the day.

He liked it, but... not enough to convert him from his current supply of Iwata's and dusty Badgers. He said if he was going to buy just one AB for doing hobbies or art work he would consider it, but not for fast production work. He's too used to having an AB setup and ready to go for a specific task on the project. The Evolution is fine if you want to take the time and swap paint cup sizes, needle sizes, and clean it out during a project. He couldn't really notice an better of a quality in the atomization or spray pattern, but said it is of a high quality tool.

To me it felt similar to using the HP-BS, but what do I know. 

He knows I'm tight for money (especially with opening the hobby shop) and interested in a HP-CS but would also take a HP-C Plus as an option. So he's going to dig through his stuff and see what he can come up with. He even has many spare parts and he's not sure, but thinks he might be able to put his hands on something to get me started and that will work just fine. He said that he'd like to see me get working with the AB as I show potential with the things that I've done while at his shop and it would be a waste of talent all because I couldn't afford an AB. So, here's keeping my fingers crossed.

Humm...  I don't see a revolution in your lineup. I have an Iwata Revolution and an HP-C. That covers most anything I can think of. The Revolution has a .5mm nozzle and the HPC has a .3mm nozzle. Thickor thin mediums and wide or fine line spray patterns. It dosen't get much better than that.   Greg

archangel571 wrote:

bilbirk wrote: Go with a Badger. Problem solved lol, cuz all u got is the 100LG, G, or SG?? been there and sold them and probably should have stayed with the low budget stuff instead of shelling out one grand for Iwatas though, if I hadn't thought about needing the ABs to do some more illustration work for my other sketches.  One thing I have actually noticed is that my Iwatas are general heavier in weight than the badgers, even the custom micron CM-C.  It's a personal preference but with my unsteady hand, the heavier ab (though still well-balanced itself) actually helped me getting straighter lines. Does that remind anyone of one pic MikeV had before, only the opposite in contents?

I see you have fallen to the dark side young Skywalker.
Nice collection there my friend but I got you beat as I have 12.
One email and I can have many more too so don't push it!

I wonder if Mike V can invoke a report abuse if there is more Iwatas than Badgers in a picture ? ( sorry, Mike, chap...)
As for the H&S Evolution, it can handle other cups much larger than the average Iwata/Badger gravity airbrush ( I'm not speaking of sprayguns )
Check the Obeeliks site to see them (  http://www.obeeliks.com  )
On the other hand, those larger cups could change the balance of the airbrush ( not tried yet )

bilbirk wrote:

Go with a Badger. Problem solved

lol, cuz all u got is the 100LG, G, or SG?? been there and sold them and probably should have stayed with the low budget stuff instead of shelling out one grand for Iwatas though, if I hadn't thought about needing the ABs to do some more illustration work for my other sketches.  One thing I have actually noticed is that my Iwatas are general heavier in weight than the badgers, even the custom micron CM-C.  It's a personal preference but with my unsteady hand, the heavier ab (though still well-balanced itself) actually helped me getting straighter lines.

Does that remind anyone of one pic MikeV had before, only the opposite in contents? 

Go with a Badger. Problem solved

I got to test some more airbrushes... 

WOW it's amazing to watch what an experienced user can do with them.
But it's also depressing to see what a mess a newb makes with them LOL.

I'll try to give the shortest run down I possibly can. We sprayed auto enamels and water based auto products.

The final spray results from my experienced buddy -
No difference between the Eclipse, High Performance, High-Line, and Custom Micro series.
No difference between the B, C, SB, and just a slight difference with the BC.
There was a difference in preperation between the AB's to obtain the similar results. Slightly different mix ratio, different air pressure, spray distance and AB moving speed while spraying.
His preference - BC for general background color, C for shading and highlighting. He prefers the B or SB for doing super fine details such as hair or wiskers (lighter weight, easier control).

When I sprayed -
I liked the amount of paint the C held and that the cup had a cover.
The B was easier to control, but needed frequent refilling.
The SB, I just couldn't find the proper angle for the cup, I was constantly twisting it.
I made the same mess no matter what AB I sprayed with.

Results / Recommendations -
My friend recommends that I either get the Eclipse BS or SBS to compliment my BCS.
I'm thinking more of the CS or the SBS (auto version).
BUT...
He knows someone that owns a Harder & Steenbeck Evolution 2-n-1 and is planning on borrowing it for a few days. He'll let me know when he does so I might be able to give that a blast too. 

The saga continues...

Thanks Greg...

I've just had the opportunity to test the airbrushes myself too. 

Not that it really cleared matters up, but it gave me things to consider. What you mentioned regarding the SBS is one such thing.

Jhande,

I've had the opportunity to try out the airbrushes that you mentioned.  For what you tenatively will be spraying and the various mediums, I would strongly suggest the Iwata Eclipse HP-SBS.  The reason is simply, versitility.  The SBS has all the spraying qualities as the CS, BS, BCS, and CR but gives you the option of detatchable side color cups of various sizes.  No color cups in your field of veiw with this baby!  To add to the versitlity, on web sites such as Coast Airbrush, you can order a side-cup adapter to use various sizes of Aztek solvent proof color cups and bottles for those anticipated "large jobs", where a large volume of paint is required.  Also clean up is just as easy as the above units.  Where the SBS gives you more performace is in it's ability to spray those soft, atomized, finelines that you're looking to do, with thicker paints and consistant feed.  It can also handle any other type of medium, from auto paints to fine artists acrylics and laquers with ease.  You're talking versatility my friend and if I were you, the SBS would be the answer.  Good luck with you decision!