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  • Member since
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  • From: Euless, TX
Paint and Priming help
Posted by gambit3131 on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 10:40 PM
If you look in my sig at my current work bench I am working on three models right now.

The P-40 Tiger Shark I started at the beginning of July.  It is my first attempt at doing a model with airbrush and everything.  I think I have done a decent job.  I am still learning my airbrush but am feeling more and more comfortable with it.  I am very happy using the Tamiya acrylics.  I just need to get my mixing paint and thinner down.

Anyway, I have a few questions:

Project 1: The P-40.  I have painted it and airbrushed it with a coat of Future.  I am waiting to get some decal setting solution before I put on the decals.  Once that is done I need to spray on a coat of flat for the final finish.  My question is what is the best flat to use?  I can't find a bottle of Tamiya to airbrush, I only find the spray cans. 

Project 2: The F-19.  This project I started a long time ago.  I had her almost complete, except the gray and decals.  When I pulled her out of the box she's been in I had to re-glue some parts. Respray the white since it yellowed very bad.  I also airbrushed the two toned gray.  This came out great.  Again, I am waiting to get the decal setting solution.  My question here is:  I have read that many of the newer aircraft are not coated with a flat, but with a gloss/semi-gloss to aid in airflow.  What would be the best final finish for this model?

Project 3: The A-37.  I started this project in late 2002 after I had all my paints, the airbrush etc.  I was scared to try the airbrush and just made excuses for not completing this model.  Anyway.  I am working on it again.  I am at that point where I need to airbrush the main paint job.  With the P-40, I did not use a base primer.  I just painted the main paint scheme directly on the plastic.  I am thinking I want to try a primer.  When should you use a primer, or should you use it all the time?  What is the best primer?  I can't find any bottles to airbrush, just the spray cans again in Tamiya. 

Thanks in advance.  I figure that if I start posting here it will keep me more involved with my models and make me want to complete them instead of storing them in my closet.  I have a full list of the models in my closest in my "introduction thread".

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IN THE HANGAR: amt ERTL Airwolf 1:48 (In progress) Monogram A-37 Dragonfly 1:48 (Production halted due to frustration)
  • Member since
    March 2006
  • From: Drummondville, Quebec, Canada
Posted by Yann Solo on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 9:31 AM

Project 1:  I also use exclusively Tamiya acrylic paint and my store does not keep the flat base in stock neither.  So I use Testors dull coat in spray can for the final touch and it works good.

Project 2:  I know several modelers think that even if the real thing has a semi-gloss finish, it should more be flat that semi-gloss for a scale model because of the scale.  If you look at a plane from far distances, it will look more flat that gloss simply, so I always use flat coat.  Specially for war birds, I can hardly imagine them glossy since it could easily reflect the sun and be detected. Also, I noticed that the Testors dull coat I use doesn't have a totally flat finish, it's still got a little bit of shine, just enough for realism.  (My 2 cents)

Project 3:  I never saw a bottle of acrylic primer from Tamiya and I personnally use spray cans.  You can find cheap Krylon primers in any Home depot and it works perfectly.  And you could always spray the paint in another bottle and then use it with your airbrush, someone here use this technique to use the paint from the spray cans.  What is important is to spray the paint into a bottle with a small opening so the fumes and paint remains in the bottle.  The result is a perfectly thinned paint ready to airbrush.

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  • Member since
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  • From: Southern California, USA
Posted by ABARNE on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 1:53 PM

Project 1:  What I use for flat coats is a mixture of Future and Tamiya X-21 Flat Base mixed at a ratio of 4 parts Future to 1 part Flat Base.  PolyScale also makes a clear flat that is often recommended.

Project 2:  Ditto Yann's comments.

Project 3:  I've never bothered with primer myself.  Even on a Panther tank that I painted with Tamiya acrylics, I just painted on bare plastic and found tha the paint adhered well enough.  If I was going to prime, I would probably be more likely to do so if I was painting acrylic instead of enamel or if I had done major surgery so that the kit was a hodgepodge of different colored plastics and putties. 

  • Member since
    March 2004
  • From: Placerville, CA USA
Posted by Mark Joyce on Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:08 AM

In regards to Project 1, the best flat I've found is Pollyscale Clear Flat.  It gives about the deadest flat out there, and no mixing is involved.  The most you need to add to it for airbrushing is a bit of distilled water.

In regards to Project 3, there are a lot of good primers out there but I airbrush Mr. Surfacer 1000.  It comes in spray cans too, but I've never felt comfortable using spray cans since you have so little control.  Some people don't use a primer, but I've found that it allows me to detect any flaws.  One reason I prefer Mr. Surfacer is because it fills those small defects and scratches.  I paint mainly with enamels, and from what I hear of those who paint with acrylics (which you do) is that a good primer coat can be critical for the paint to bond well to the surface of the model.

Hope this helps,

Mark

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  • Member since
    February 2006
  • From: Boston
Posted by Wilbur Wright on Saturday, August 19, 2006 3:20 PM
If priming is required I always use MM aggresor gray,airbrushed. It is a dead flat paint that will show what needs to be fixed.
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