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Iwata HP cs airbrush
Posted by Hightower on Thursday, October 5, 2006 8:40 AM

Hi all, anyone out there with an Iwata HP CS ab ?  I was wondering how fine a line it sprays ? For small items like 1/35 equipment, gear etc.

Thanks

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Posted by ZzZGuy on Friday, October 6, 2006 10:32 PM
Hello.

I just ricently got my first air brush which is a iwata HP CS. I have not tryed to get super fine lines with it yet, but just expermenting i have gotten lines as fine as the width of a dulled led pencile mark.

It is very easy to clean (it's been recomended to me to not take it apart to clean each time, and to spray the thinner for the paint your using untill it comes out clear to clean it out).

It also prduces a very fine spray (i don't have a comparison so i can't say just how fine it is). But here is a link to a T-34 i am  currently adding dust to using this AB (all painted using the HP-CS), http://www.finescale.com/FSM/CS/forums/683673/ShowPost.aspx

-edit- i can take a photo and post it here of how fine the lines are, just don't expect it in a timly fashion.


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Posted by Hightower on Saturday, October 7, 2006 2:26 PM

zzzguy, thanks for the info.  Ya, if you could post a comparison type shot that would be great. 

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Posted by Inquisitor on Saturday, October 7, 2006 8:50 PM

Well, my first post... hope this helps.  I'm writing this because of the real LACK of good reviews that give the type of info that we need as modelers re: these brushes.  This is one reason I have so many brushes- had to find what I like and what works.

Yep, I have a CS, along with about 3-4 other iwata brushes (CS, CH x2, BH, SB, CM-B), a couple badgers and an old trusty Paasche H.  The CS is good for generalized work, and ideal for good surface coverage where you are spraying thicker media.  For really tiny stuff or super fine lines, it won't be as good as a HP-C or B/SB. 

If I were you, I'd get a HP-CH.  Does everything that the CS does, but can handle tighter work, more finit spray and has air control on the brush. 

One thing: it may seem that you have to choose between all these iwata brushes, and that a bunch are needed to do what you want to do.  The reality is that the functionality of these brushes overlap.  Here's my take:

CS/SBS/BCS/BS-  all pretty much the same gun, just different paint storage methods.  0.35mm nozzle, and can change out for a .5mm cheaply so you can spray thicker stuff.  Floating head, not the screw on nozzles like the others...).  The gravity feeds are great for control- paint on demand, can spray at lower pressures = greater control, smaller lines, less overstray. 

CH/BH- both top feeds.  The HP-C/CP/CH is a good overall brush.  I'd recommend the CH as it comes with a present handle and a mac valve.  0.3mm standard on the CH, 0.2 on the BH/AH.  You can still spray VERY small lines with the CH.  Gravity feed = control.  You can get good coverage with the CH with enough pressure and

SB-  I fretted a long time over this, and now it is my brush of choice.  Side feed.  I thought initally I wouldn't have control but it is very responsive, but it feeds such a small amount of paint into the barrel that you get a lot of control.  I can normally spray thinned paints @ 5-7psi on my silentaire without a problem and get SUPERB control.  I guess this is why illustrators used to use them so much?  More of a speciality brush b/c paints need to be thinner.  You can also look over the barrel. 

CM-B-  what can I say?  The MOTHER of all brushes for detail work (really, there are a few companies in the world that produce some good brushes, but these are great...).  I've done some VERY detailed work with these.  Hair thin lines.  BUT- you can only spray VERY thin paints.  It is a specialty brush. 

One last note: consider an SBS if you want to get a CS.  They can accept 1-2 oz bottles on the side for spraying a LOT of stuff.  You can also look directly over the barrel.  I'm likely going to be selling my CS, which is geared with a .5mm nozzle, and replace it with a SBS b/c I like these so much. 

Hope this helps! 

p.s.: re: lines-  Again, I'd get the CH-  it's more, but you can mailorder it or get it off ebay for ~ $60-80 more, and you'll be much more pleased than working with the CS.  You can spray THIN lines, like pencil thin, with a CH, but I warn you- it takes PRACTICE, and having the right type of airsource (tanked, regulated, spraying at <15psi).    Using an AB is like any other brush/tool, and takes practice to get the effects you want. 

You can see how thin these spray by looking at some sample photos-  the company puts a card with the spray pattern in each package.  Go to ebay and take a look. 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by ZzZGuy on Saturday, October 7, 2006 10:55 PM
Thanks for that review Inquisitor.

There is indeed a lack of good comparative reviews on the go. I was hoping i wasn't the only source of info Hightower would get.

But overall i VERY much like the HP-CS and am quite happy with it. But i am thinking of down the road getting a yet higher end AB, but due to a very long story that might be a long time yet.


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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 8, 2006 3:25 AM

Hi,

I'm also interested in this discussion. Can you guys help me with the difference between the Iwata HP-CS which you're discussing and the Iwata HP-CR? Is there a huge difference between these brushes?

Thanks in advance.

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Posted by Inquisitor on Sunday, October 8, 2006 8:04 AM

I agree that the CS is a good brush.  I think I've been spoiled because I started using the HP-C first. 

oh, something I didn't mention is that these brushes can be changed to different nozzles sizes.  The CS comes with a 0.35 mm nozzle, but you can put a 0.5 mm nozzle in it and keep everything else the same (needle, etc.).  the HP C can except as 0.2 mm nozzle, keeping the same needle.

glad this helped.  I am interested in your story though...

 

 

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Posted by ZzZGuy on Sunday, October 8, 2006 7:06 PM
Well, here is that pic i promised. As you can see the pencil didn't work very well on this whatever coated cardboard, the pen is of average size.

Note that this is the second time i have ever tryed fine lines with a AB, and this was also after a long AB session so my hands where a little shakey.


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Posted by Hightower on Monday, October 9, 2006 10:16 AM

Inquisitor, thank you very much for the information. You have given excellent advice and sound like you have much experience with airbrushes. This info may have swayed my decision towards a differnet ab.  price permitting, thanks again. 

And thanks to this site for great feedback, input,from its members.

Cheers

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Posted by Hightower on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 9:13 AM

Inquisitor, another question if I could please as you seem to have a ton of information.  What are your thoughts on the HP C Plus compared to the HP CS ?  Are the few extrea features on the HP C Plus worth the extra cost ?

Thanks again for your input.

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Posted by Inquisitor on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 6:51 PM
 Hightower wrote:

Inquisitor, another question if I could please as you seem to have a ton of information.  What are your thoughts on the HP C Plus compared to the HP CS ?  Are the few extrea features on the HP C Plus worth the extra cost ?

Thanks again for your input.



I just responded to this in another thread.  I think the C performs overall better than the CS, but during average use, most people might not notice.  Spray is more atomized, and the spray can be finer (I can get pen thin lines with a C without trying...)  I'd get the CH, which has everthing that the + has, but also the mac valve, which is handier than you might think for air control. 

so, in summary: 
CS = good general workhorse, coarser spray patterns
C = good overall workhorse, finer spray patterns. 

I'll try to do a visual comparison sometime soon. 


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Posted by ZzZGuy on Tuesday, October 10, 2006 9:11 PM
@Inquisitor

So what do you do with all these airbrushes? All of this is overkill for just model building.

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Posted by Inquisitor on Wednesday, October 11, 2006 8:25 PM

sooooo... that's a really good question!  Well, one reason that I have so many AB is for the exact reasons we've been talking here:  I didn't know what I'd like/didn't like, and what would work for me.  I am just a hobbyist-  I don't art for a living (well, I've done commission work in the past...) and enjoy 'tools', equipment and techniques. 

AB'ing is an expensive proposition, and if you don't have the equipment to make it work well for you, it can just be a money sink.  I decided to get quality equipment, and it has made AB work a breeze and really enjoyable. 

Most of the 'work' that I've done in the past few years centers more around figures, and sadly I haven't done any 'scale modeling' of aircraft or whatnot in a while.  I can say that I would like to expand into doing busts in the future, as well as larger figures.  I do like painting figures because it is more like art than just laying down colors, it's more like working on a 3D canvas.  Doing this has taught me a ton.  That being said, I'd love to expand back into do more models (armor is my fav... haven't done aircraft in... wow... a long time...). 

I've also done artwork in the past, and am getting to the point where I can take the time and expand my talents with a variety of media.  I would also like to do some 'artwork' (on canvas), expand my abilities to do freehand work.   

I've approached using an airbrush as another type of brush on my desktop and ask 'what can this do well, and how can it help me accomplish what want?'  I get a lot of enjoyment playing around with them.  Sadly, I don't get a lot done with this mentality, but that's o.k. 

Just a funny note on why I like focusing on tools and techniques:  I've had a lot of interests across modelling genres (Model railroading, static modeling, figures, 2D artwork, etc.) and found it interesting that people don't look at other 'fields' and see how they do things.  Thus, they are stuck doing the same types of techniques and using the same tools as other people that are doing what they are.  . 

But, if you 'crosstrain' and learn other skills, your ability to do things will improve substantially.  Things that seem very difficult become easier and you'll be able to do things you didn't think you could. 

BTW- I love your sig.  One of my all time favorite quotes!  :) 

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