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Best Paintbrushes for Acrylics?

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Posted by espins1 on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 10:17 PM
I bought some nice, high quality brushes from an art supply store.  They're labeled as Silver Golden Natural and come in a variety of sizes.  So far, they've been the best brushes that I've used with Acrylics.

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Posted by Triarius on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 9:58 PM

This link should give you some help:

http://www.dixieart.com/FineArts/Silver_Brush_Main_Page.html 

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Posted by gjek on Wednesday, December 20, 2006 2:16 PM
OK, so lets finish the questions. What brush or bristle type works best with acrylics?
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Posted by Triarius on Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:00 PM

I had a physics professor who said:

"That's not an obvious obvious, but it's an obvious." Laugh [(-D]

Hey, he was a math guy—linguistically challenged. Taped Shut [XX]

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Posted by IL2windhawk on Thursday, December 14, 2006 10:20 AM

Yeah thanks.

Hair conditioner, LOL!
That makes sense in a sort of unintuitive yet obvious way.

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Posted by espins1 on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 5:52 PM
Great advice!  Thanks for posting that!  Smile [:)]

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Posted by Triarius on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 5:03 PM

Probably. I used to do that, and I, too clean my brushes thoroughly. I did notice an accelerated deterioraton of the brushes, though, and once I didn't clean quite well enough…Banged Head [banghead]. As I moved more and more to acrylics, the problem became moot. But I recently started using artists' oil washes again, and I'm planning on moving into figures, where I will be using both oils and acrylics. So I just invested in a separate set of brushes for oils and the occasionaly enamel, only.

This is one of those things that you can get away with from time to time—until the time you don't. The worst case scenario would be to use the same brushes with both enamels and acrylics in roughly equal proportions. Much higher risk of something going wrong. For someone who rarely uses enamels (or acrylics), provided they are maniac brush cleaners (always good practice, IMHO) the risk may be acceptably low.

Most of the professional painters (art, architectural, and interior) I have known who used both mediums had two sets of brushes, one for enamels (or oils) and one for aqueous systems. At least one artist I knew had three sets: oil, acrylic, and enamel. 

One tip that can greatly extend the life of any brush is to treat it with hair conditioner before storing, or periodically if you use the brush frequently. For those who "cross-paint," I strongly recommend it.

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Posted by espins1 on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 11:37 AM
I paint almost exclusively with Acrylics, but use enamels from time to time... with the same brushes.  I clean them all extremely well though, so maybe that's why I haven't had any problems?

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Posted by Triarius on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 11:37 AM

The short, nontechnical answer is: Yes, even small amounts of incompatible materials will cause a problem, not only on the brush but in the bottle.

For that matter, make sure to rinse the brushes cleaned with Windex thoroughly in water. The ammonia in Windex will play hob with the paint and the bristles.

The reason (vastly oversimplified) only small amounts of a contaminant may cause so much havoc is that reactions involving organic molecules tend to be progressive: a small amount of contaminant reacts with a few organic molecules, changing them to something different. These changed molecules may then react with, or affect the behavior of, the "normal" molecules, and so on. 

Another reason to use separate brushes for both is brush life. When you use the same brush for both systems, the bristles get hit with a "double whammy." The solvents and cosolvents in enamels will slowly attack portions of the bristle structure that are lipophilic ("oil loving"). The solvents and cosolvents in acrylics will attack those portions that are hydrophilic ("water loving"). Using the same brush for both may well shorten brush life by half, and brushes aren't cheap!

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Posted by IL2windhawk on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 11:17 AM

That Windex did the trick.

Why is it so critical to not use the same brushes
for enamels and acrylics.  So what if a few microscopic
components of each type come into contact?  Will they
chemically react or something?

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Posted by Mist086 on Tuesday, December 12, 2006 11:08 AM

 espins1 wrote:
Use windex to clean your brushes.  The amonia breaks down the acrylic like nothing else.  Then rinse with water.  Try soaking that brush in a little bit of windex, that should break it all down.

 

Never would have thought of that.  Thanks espy.  Time to see if i can resurrect my brushes 

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Posted by Triarius on Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:16 AM

You should not use the same brushes for acrylics and enamels. No matter how well you clean them, there is always a microscopic amount of paint left, generally around the base of the bristles, and this will cause problems with a different paint system.

It is also quite likely that your old, reliable brush was nearing the end of its usable service life, and this just put it over the edge. Brushes, even with the greatest care, do not last forever.

Get a separate set of brushes for use with acrylics, save your old enamel brushes for use with oils, or use them for washes and dry brushing. 

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Posted by espins1 on Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:16 AM
Use windex to clean your brushes.  The amonia breaks down the acrylic like nothing else.  Then rinse with water.  Try soaking that brush in a little bit of windex, that should break it all down.

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Best Paintbrushes for Acrylics?
Posted by IL2windhawk on Tuesday, December 12, 2006 9:48 AM

I just made the switch from enamels to acrylics, not only for the
aircraft skin, but also for fine detailed areas such as the cockpit. 

In the process I managed to ruin the paintbrush that has worked
with enamels for years without becoming damaged!

I cleaned with water after every use.  What did I do wrong?
Is there a specific type of bristle that works best with acrylics?

Thanks

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