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Airbrush clogging
Posted by Ranger_Chris61 on Tuesday, January 2, 2007 3:33 PM

Ok I am having problems with my airbrushes clogging on me when I am trying to pain, one is a badger 200 NH and the other is another type of badger but I am unsure, I'm goanna guess a 100 as im using the same needle in both. Now I am using a 1:1 paint to thiner ratio mix of Tamiya acrylics and Game workshop acrylics. Is it that I need to thin the paint mix more or is there some kind of problem with my airbrushes, as they are both really old.

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Posted by Triarius on Tuesday, January 2, 2007 3:49 PM

Sounds like the infamous "tip dry"—Tamiya paints are notorious for this, although any paint can have the problem, especially acrylics in low humidity conditions.

You may need to up your amount of thinner, but the best fix is to:

get some needle lubricant. Badger sells one they call "Regdab Needle Juice," but there are others, too.  

get and use some acrylic retarder, produced by Golden, Liqutex, Createx, etc. and sold in most artist's supply outlets. One bottle lasts a lifetime of modeling because you use about 0.1 ml per  2 ml paint. 

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

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Posted by Ranger_Chris61 on Tuesday, January 2, 2007 4:19 PM
Dident think about the humidity, as its pretty low right now. I will also try add aditional thiner, hopefully this will solve the problem.
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Posted by Ranger_Chris61 on Tuesday, January 2, 2007 5:02 PM
Well adding more thiner worked, but now its comming out too thin. So I guess at the moment the only thing I can really do is to play with the mix some and hope for the best.
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Posted by Triarius on Tuesday, January 2, 2007 5:21 PM
Get thee some Regdab and acrylic retarder!

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 2, 2007 6:52 PM

First clean the brush of all old paint residue.  If using lacquer thinner to clean, make sure it is ALL dry before introducing acrylics into the brush. Thin the Tamiya @ a 3:1 paint thinner ratio using Tamiya thinner which has a retarder built into it. Adjust your pressure to at least 20 psi line pressure and balance from there.  Keep us posted.

 

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Posted by Ranger_Chris61 on Tuesday, January 2, 2007 7:02 PM
The tamiya thiner is what I have been using, but 3:1 is that gonna be thin enough to use, or is it that my problem is that Im thinging it too much and the brush is having trouble picing it up and getting it out?
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Posted by Triarius on Tuesday, January 2, 2007 8:12 PM

3:1 should be plenty thin enough. More thinner is usually better in terms of getting it through the brush.

Also check for contaminants. The Tamiya paint and thinner will be compatible with each other, but there may be something getting into the mix and cloging up the drain, so to speak.

BTW, you do strain the thinned paint before it goes into the airbrush, right?

 

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

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Posted by Ranger_Chris61 on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 12:13 PM
Ah no, I usualy give my paint a good half hour or more of stiring before hand, but no straining.
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Posted by Bgrigg on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 12:35 PM
 Triarius wrote:

BTW, you do strain the thinned paint before it goes into the airbrush, right?

 

I've never strained paint in my life, and haven't (knocks on own forehead) had any problems yet! 

So long folks!

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Posted by Triarius on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 12:48 PM

Bill, you must lead a saintly life…

I always do. Sometimes there's nothing on the strainer, sometimes there is. My process is to strain it into the mixing cup, then wash the thinner through the strainer. This tells me a lot about the condition of the paint. Once or twice, it's saved a lot of grief.

And one serious clog, especially if it clogs and then lets go, is enough to justify the small effort.

Chris, I commend your dedicated stirring!Wow!! [wow] Even I don't stir that long!

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

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Posted by Ranger_Chris61 on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 12:52 PM
Ya, I usualy go and get the paint Im going to use and then get distracted by something on the computer and end up losing track of time very quickly and when I finaly do go to paint my paint is well stired.
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Posted by Bgrigg on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 1:05 PM
 Triarius wrote:

Bill, you must lead a saintly life…

That's me, Saint Bill! My paints don't lift, my decals never bubble, my kits always fit perfectly, yeah right! I've spent so much time knocking on my forehead it's built up an additional layer of bone (wood?). The only time I've experienced anything like a clog in my airbrush (Badger 150 or 100 LG with the medium needle/tip) is when I've used Tamiya metallic paints, the metallic particles tend to clump unless stirred regularly.

 

So long folks!

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Posted by Ranger_Chris61 on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 2:04 PM
Ok so I just tried the paint mix suggested in one of my airbrushes and nothing, tried thining it some still nothing, thined a little more nothing, switched to the other airbrush, and got only a little splatering the was mroe or less consiting of dried specs of paint, tied it some more and was still getting this. So At this point since I have tried so many different thining mixes I really dont think it is the paint. What is worse is that with the first airbrush, my assumed badger 100 the paint wasent even being drawn, as when I pulled the paint jar off it there wasent any paint in the airbrush. Now I know these airbushes are old, and with the 200 recieved alot of use. Could it simple be that i have worn out these brushes and need to get new ones. I right now have them both soaking in some water. What do I need to do to get these things to work again.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 6:38 PM

Sounds like you need to clean them.  If a good cleaning doesn't do it, then the needle bearing could be gone.  Badger will replace the needle bearing for free.  If you do decide to clean them, water will not do the trick on dried paint.  You'll have to use a solvent of some sorts.

 

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Posted by Triarius on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 6:51 PM
  1. Consider the relatively low cost of a good, new airbrush. Then:
  2. Disassemble them completely. If something is stuck, leave that but get them as much apart as you can. Remove all nonmetal gaskets and set aside. Plan on replacing all of these, since the brushes are old.
  3. Soak the metal parts in DOT 3 brake fluid overnight. Don't leave this where small children or pets can get at it. Disassemble stubborn parts from step two.
  4. Wipe and scrub any remaining paint from the parts. If something is really stubborn, try acetone (adequate ventilation!!!!) Wash parts in hot, soapy water.
  5. Inspect the parts for evidence of wear, corrosion, pitting, etc.  Consider the relatively low cost of a good, new airbrush. Replace as necessary.
  6. Reassemble with new gaskets, seals, and replacement parts.
  7. Attempt to use. If successful, you're done. If not, proceed to step eight.
  8. Consider the relatively low cost of a good, new airbrush.

 

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

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Posted by MusicCity on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 8:03 PM
  1. Insure that you have a plentiful supply of air.  No air blowing, no paint spraying.
  2. As Ross said, COMPLETELY disassemble the brushes (remove the air valves!) and soak everything that is metal (no o-rings!) in solvent overnight.  I'd even disassemble the air valves and soak the metal parts (NOT the o-rings) in solvent.
  3. Look at the airbrush from the front.  At the bottom of the body there is a hole drilled going to the air valve chamber.  Run a piece of wire down that hole to insure it is clear.  That supplies air to the head.
  4. The head will have three or four holes in it that are visible when the crown is removed.  Insure that those are clear.  They provide air to the front of the airbrush to pull paint through the nozzle.
  5. Reassemble correctly.  If you have plenty of air they should spray properly.  If not take them to a friend's house who has plenty of air and see if they work there.  If not go back to step 1.
  6. Call Badger.  I have heard of cases where they refurbished Badger airbrushes for less than the cost of a new one.
  7. As Ross said, consider the relative inexpensive cost of a new airbrush.

 PS ... Never strained paint in my life either, and I'm too old and too tired to start now.

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Posted by Ranger_Chris61 on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 8:56 PM
OK, so i completyl disasembled the airbrushes, and on the 100 some paint had fouled up the blower, and as for the 200 I am still not sure what is causing the problem. So for tonight im have the 200 body and all of the pieces from both brushes soaking in paint thiners and will try the 200 tommarow, and saok the 100. If the 200 dosent work Ill just have to go out and get a new brush. Any recomendations, I know the 150 is supposed to be good but I am not sure on what exactly the difference is between a single action and duel action brush.
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Posted by Triarius on Wednesday, January 3, 2007 9:12 PM

If you want one brush to do it all, I recommend a Thayer & Chandler Omni 4000. I love this thing!

But take your time—there are many good airbrushes available. There have been several threads on airbrush purchasing recently—last 6 months or so. Search for them—more good advice than you can shake a hose at… 

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 4, 2007 11:25 AM

Ross and Scott are dead on with the recommended cleaning regimen.  If you prefer not to use brake cleaner, remember, lacquer thinner is your friend. However, always use proper safety measures no matter what you use.  A lot of us learned this the hard way; no matter what new or "better"  brush you buy, without a good cleaning regimen, it'll stop spraying like the old brush in a heartbeat.

 

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Posted by Bgrigg on Thursday, January 4, 2007 11:42 AM
Given that you already have a 200 and 100, why not a new 100LG? Then you have spare parts!

So long folks!

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Posted by Ranger_Chris61 on Thursday, January 4, 2007 1:32 PM
OK the good news is that my brush is working again. The bad news is im still getting paint bits landing on the pieces im trying to paint. Though I think I have figured out that it is the cthedel pain that Im using in my mix. For some reason its not likeing the tamya paints. Whihc is wired since there both acrylics and you would think that they would mix together. So now it looks like im sol untill I get some gunze which will be god knows when since none of my local shops carry it. Does any one know of any shops that do carry it, preferably int he Oceanside CA area, or at least some where in San Diego county?
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Posted by Bgrigg on Thursday, January 4, 2007 3:35 PM
A rose is a rose is a rose, but acrylics aren't roses! I'm not familiar with cthedel pain but it must hurt something awful! Evil [}:)] I'm presuming Citadel paint, which isn't the same as Tamiya's formula. I use only Tamiya paints with my Badger 150 or 100LG and have had no problems. I would try to a LHS that stocks a goodly amount of paint and try to stick with one brand. IF you need to use a different brand (particular color or effect) then I would do a big clean up like you've just done before putting in a different paint.

So long folks!

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Posted by Ranger_Chris61 on Thursday, January 4, 2007 5:18 PM
True, but my problem is the color I need, at least according to the kits instructions, is made of several different colors, specificaly 45% H4 Yellow + 40% H14 Orange + 15% H24 Orange Yellow. Now I fortuantly was able to find a conversion online for the yellow and orange, but the orange yellow I could not find. So Thats why I was using the citadel in my mix with the tamiya. Unfortantly It appears that will not work. So my new question is how well does tamiya and gunze mix together or am I stuck haveing to buy all the colors I need from gunze?
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Posted by Triarius on Thursday, January 4, 2007 10:57 PM

As Bill said, just because paints use the same general solvent, or even binder, does not mean they are compatible. Acrylics slightly more so than enamels—but you find the same problem when trying to combine lacquers and enamels, for example. As a general rule, I never mix paints of different brands without testing for compatibility, first.

 The compatibility of Gunze and Tamiya is possibly better than that of Tamiya and Model Master or PollyScale, but you will have to try each combination separately. I don't use Gunze—just a preference, I know people who won't use anything else. Both Gunze and Tamiya appear to have fairly complex formulations, but from what I recall, both are alcohol compatible (isopropyl, 90 percent).

To test compatibility, mix equal amounts of each paint in a small, glass, sealable container (old paint bottles, if thoroughly cleaned, are fine.) Thin them with a reducing solvent compatible with both. Let them sit for at least three days, then strain them. The results should be obvious—anything less than perfect mixtures without lumps or strings means that they are incompatible.

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

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