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  • Member since
    November 2003
  • From: Surrey B.C. Canada
future as gloss coat?
Posted by wildcard2 on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:20 PM

Hello all!  I'm sorry to rehash an issue that in the forums has been disscusssed to death but im simply out of ideas and patience. I've recently started modeling aircraft in 1/72 (i've now completed two planes) academys a-10 and italeris f-5a, I've used an airbrush to apply camo to both aircraft, im using mm enamel paint and sealing it with future, which according to my research should be ok problems are as follows .... after applying future wether through an airbrush or by hand brushing im not getting a smooth finish it looks like its applied on sand ive heard the discription of a "pebbly" surface i cant say its like that but its close, my guess is that my paint coats are not flat and my airbrush is spraying a mottled coat but i cant solve via paint viscosity changes or air pressure i use testors airbrush thinner and follow product instructions 3:1 paint to thinner. my biggest problem is when i go to wash panel lines if i use an acrylic wash i cant the excess wash off the surface,and yes ive tried adding more soap less soap more and less paint ive tried tempura paint ive even tried an enamel wash but the enamel thinner im using is eating through the future?!being a true acrylic how can this be? ive gone to swannys site and followed his instructions and still no luck. my whaaaambulance is running out of gas and so am I. any advice would be appriciated thanks ,mark.

  • Member since
    April 2005
  • From: Baton Rouge, LA
Posted by T_Terrific on Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:44 AM

To ask an obvious question, why are you using Future and getting bad results with the Testors MM product, when you can use the Testors MM acrylic gloss coat and get good results? I use MM acrylics over their enamels all the time, barely waiting for the enamel to dry, and I have never had this problem. In fact, I use MM acrylics to seal an enamel if it tends to be a touchy color.

In the most recent issue of FSM, a staff member/builder helps a reader's problem by telling him how he solved several problems by stopping the use of Future, and using a Testors clear-coat product for decalling surface prep.

I have tried Future, and I frankly do not care for it at all.

  Tom Cowboy [C):-)]

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  • Member since
    November 2003
  • From: Surrey B.C. Canada
Posted by wildcard2 on Thursday, January 11, 2007 11:32 AM
And to give an obvious answer, I know I can simply switch products Ive got a can of mm acrylic spray ready to go but,for me and many other modelers its endlessly frustrating to know that (lets say) 95% of our peers can achieve fine results with this product yet the other 5% can not. I'm simply trying to master skills as I go, I know I dont have to master every method the first time but I'd like to have these skills in my repertoire .... just because, oh well ,rome wasnt built in a day... maybe in time. thanks for the advice tom, I'll switch.
  • Member since
    February 2003
Posted by mass tactical on Thursday, January 11, 2007 2:27 PM

Future is often described as a "modeler's best friend" and I personally indorse that.  Having said that, Future does take some getting used to.  I have found the best way to apply it is to add just a little Windex to the Future as this tends to level the Future out a little faster.  The real secret is to apply Future in light dusty coats and build it up as it drys.  After 15 minutes or so of drying time, go back and shoot on additional coats and keep doing this until you achieve the gloss that you desire.  Before going with your "sludge" wash, let the Future cure for at least 48 hours or more and in that way your wash will come right off where you don't want it.  By the way, I have recently gone from using acrylic washes to oil washes thinned with mineral spirits, applied over acrylic base coats, with really good results.  This type of wash can also be applied over well cured Future.

Hopefully this helps.

 

Mike

  • Member since
    January 2003
  • From: Chantilly, Virginia
Posted by CNicoll on Friday, January 12, 2007 10:21 PM

Just a thought, but how old is your Future?  I've had a bottle for about four years now, but I keep it closed up tightly and in a dark, cool location.  I use Future for my clear coats, and I just dipped the clear pieces for a 1/48 scale B-26 and my Future is holding up well, but I've heard rumors that old Future breaks down.

Agreed on letting the coat dry for at least 2 days; I usually let it dry for 5 days.

Just a thought.  Good luck!

Chris

 

On the bench:  Academy 1/72 B-17G 'Blue Hen Chick';  1/48 Tamiya Mustang III; Kitty Hawk 1/32 P-39. 

Completed:  1/48 Tamiya P-51D Mustang - 'Show Bird', 1/32 Dragon P-51D  Flying Tigers 'What if'; 1/32 Tamiya P-51D Big Beautiful Doll

Group build:1/48 Tamiya Mustang III; 1/48 Tamiya P-51D Show Bird

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