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Micro-mark Flat Coat dries glossy?

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 15, 2007 1:22 PM

Thanks for the tip... the reason I don't have an AB is that I am still researching what to buy... I'm looking at a Badger complete kit after a recomendation from my buddy...

I brushed the Flat on because I had a small few areas that needed to be matte and didn't want to spray another round of Dullcote on bc/ I haven't done any washes and weatehring yet and didn't want to obscure any of the details anymore... 

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Posted by Yann Solo on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 7:41 PM
That is quite interesting Triarius.  Thanks for the clarifications.
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Posted by Triarius on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:43 PM

Actually, Yann, that's only part of why brushed clear flats tend to be glossier than airbrushed flats. While this does occur to a certain extent with some flat colors, it is most noticeable in clear coats. There are two reasons for this, other than the one you gave: 1. clear flats contain only a single flatting pigment, usually a form of microsilica. 2 a brushed coat is thicker than a sprayed coat.

Brushing a clear flat tends to pull the pigment away from the paint surface, and the thicker coat takes longer to dry. This last allows the pigment to settle slightly, resulting in a higher amount of the binder (which is inherantly glossy) at the surface. Color flat coats usually contain several flatting pigments, some of which are much more resistant to settling and segregation than microsilica.

The exception is flat white, which may not contain anything other than a white pigment. That is because titanium dioxide, the most common white pigment, comes in two forms, one of which produces a very good flat surface without the addition of other flatting agents.

To produce a flatter surface with a brushed on flat coat, try diluting the flat before brushing it on, preferably with a compatible solvent that evaporates rapidly, and apply several quick coats. Try to cover with a single stroke—don't go over an area you just painted until it has cured. This technique takes practice, but it can be done.

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  • From: Drummondville, Quebec, Canada
Posted by Yann Solo on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:00 AM

You might want to use rattle cans if you don't have any airbrush.

If money is the primary reason why you don't have any airbrush, may I suggest you something?

Testor is making a cheap airbrush kit with compressor. It is called the Mighty-mini and it sells for around $60 at Walmart.  That includes the mini-compressor, the external mix airbrush, hose and mixing cup.  Everything you need to get started.  I still use the airbrush for most of my painting jobs with wonderfull results and it is very easy to clean.  I've replaced the compressor for a better one with regulator and humidity trap but the one supplied with the kit is ok.

I did not want to buy one neither at the beginning but now I can't do without.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:53 AM
So this stuff is worthless without an AB even tho it says it's brushable?  That's kinda what I figured... wonder if my LHS buddy will let me return it...
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  • From: Drummondville, Quebec, Canada
Posted by Yann Solo on Wednesday, February 14, 2007 6:55 AM

Flat coats will not be as flat when not airbrushed.  I noticed that when I painted some figures.  I found out that whenever I use a brush to apply flat paint, it looks more like satin or very close to glossy.  But when I airbrush the same paint, it is dead flat.

The reason is quite simple; a flat finish is obtain by the "roughness" of the surface. Small crevasses and bumps that will not refelct the light back at you.  Exactly like furtive airplanes.  When you apply the paint with a brush, you flatten that surface resulting in a smoother surface that will reflect light.

Hope this help.

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Micro-mark Flat Coat dries glossy?
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:57 PM

Hi all,

I just bought a bottle of MM FlatClear Coat, and tried using it... and for some reason it dried gloss y after I brushed it on, so I ended up having to go over the afflicted areas with almost the last of my Valeijo Matte Medium, which fixed the problem. Does this stuff not work when brushed on (even tho it says it should) or did I maybe do something wrong?  This is the second bottle of MM product I bought that turned out to not do what I wanted, so I'mm a little peeved (bought a bottle of MicroMask that apparently doesn't work on acrylics.)

Thanks! 

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