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Proper Temprature for airbrushing / Modelmaster water based Acrylic

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Proper Temprature for airbrushing / Modelmaster water based Acrylic
Posted by Jdmr03 on Sunday, February 18, 2007 2:27 PM
I have been trying to duplicate the 3 color camouflage (beige, brown & dark brown) of the F-18 Aggressor, but cannot seem to get the Model master paint to cooperate (it could be old but never opened).  I was told to thin it with Tamiya thinner 1 pts thinner to 3 pts paint.

I am in Chicago and it has been quite cold. 

 What should the temperature be in the painting area?  (Basement is not finished or insulated) What are my options?

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Posted by Triarius on Sunday, February 18, 2007 5:22 PM
The chemical cross-linking that occurs when a paint cures is temperature dependent. Acrylics tend to be more temperature sensitive than enamels. The lower the temperature, the longer the cure time. As a general rule, I would consider 55°F an absolute minimum for spraying, and I'd prefer somewhere in the lower 60s. Spray multiple light coats. You could also move the model up into the house after painting to help speed curing.

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Posted by usmc1371 on Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:28 PM

Two points:

  1. Model Master Acryl paints do not need to be thinned for airbrushing.  The only exceptions are the skin tone paints and if you are doing fine line painting.
  2. Testors does not recommend using Tamiya's thinner with their paints.  If you need to thin  Acryl paints, use Testors Acryl Thinner.

Some may disagree with what I say, but it is Testor's recommendations.

-Jesse

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Posted by PatlaborUnit1 on Monday, February 19, 2007 11:52 AM

i had disastrous results using non Acryl thinner to reduce MM Acryl, took me all afternoon to get the stuff chiseled out of my AB.  Every bottle of MM Acryl I have ever opened has been on the thick side (maybe its all been dried up in the bottle?) except for a bottle of Jet Exhuast that is water thin. 

I would try to wait for a warmer day, or use a spraybooth and shoot in a room where you can heat the space.  A basement seems awfully cold and damp for painting....

David

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Posted by usmc1371 on Monday, February 19, 2007 9:10 PM
 PatlaborUnit1 wrote:

Every bottle of MM Acryl I have ever opened has been on the thick side (maybe its all been dried up in the bottle?) except for a bottle of Jet Exhuast that is water thin. 

Interesting.  I've had no problems with any of MM Acryl paints.  All have sprayed just fine through my airbrush (Aztek A470).  Are you using the new formula Acryl paints or the old?

-Jesse

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Posted by Gigatron on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:32 AM

Painting never works in the cold.  The paint gets funny and the model gets cold and causes problems with adhesion.  At the very least, you could end up with the dreaded orange peel effect.

Best bet is to get a spray booth and paint in an interior room and vent out a window.  If you know how to use a screwdriver and socket wrench, you can get a spray booth on ebay for $220 shipped.  It's got a working area of 25wx17hx18d and comes with a 350cfm pole blower.  All you'll really need to add is light.  I added a battery powered 12" flourescent and it is more than sufficient.  I think the ebay seller is JCMfabrication.  He sells booths on there all the time.

-Fred

 

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Posted by ABARNE on Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:14 PM

Testor's may well recommend against thinning their Acryl paints, but in my experience, I find that thinning is usually necessary.  I have also noticed that their paints seem to have a wide range in their out-of-the-bottle thickness which makes the concept of a specific thinning ratio is pointless.  Normally, paint should be thinned to the consistency of 2% milk. 

Although Testor's probably recommends against using non MM thinners with their Acryl paints, I use Tamiya thinner and have not had any problems, either when spraying or storage spoilage of the thinned paint.  I have stored MM acryls thinned for spraying with Tamiya thinner for litterally a couple of years without issue.

If you're stuck in a cold basement, perhaps a space heater or two could be used to warm things up a bit.  I paint in my garage in San Diego, and I've painted when the temperature is in the low sixties without problems.  When it dips into the fifties or forties, I have a couple of electric radiant space heaters that I use to warm up the area in and around my spray booth.

 

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