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Infinity Solo w/quickfix - does anybody have/use it?
Posted by deerbill on Monday, April 2, 2007 11:52 AM
Does anybody use the Infinity Solo or the Two in One with quickfix? This is made by Hansa which was acquired by Harder and Steenbeck. This is basically a newer version of the Evolution by H & S. I know where to get it : Precision German Airbrush, Airhead Airbrush, and Air Source One all carry it here in the US. I was more interested if anybody currently uses it and how they like it. The quickfix feature certainly looks interesting.
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Posted by tyamada on Monday, April 2, 2007 12:19 PM
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Posted by deerbill on Monday, April 2, 2007 7:12 PM
Thanks for the link.  Just what I was looking for.
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Posted by TB6088 on Tuesday, April 3, 2007 3:50 AM

Deerbill,

What a coincidence.  I was just about to post my questions about Harder Steenbeck.  I've been researching a possible purchase of a Harder Steenbeck Evolution Silverline 0.2 and 0.4 two in one.  One difference is I've been communicating with Obeeliks in Belgium.  Good to hear about US suppliers.  As I understand the quick-fix feature, it's an adjustable end that restricts the amount of pull back on the trigger to limit the maximum paint flow.  I have that on my Iwata.  It costs extra on the Evolution, however.  I notice the Infinity is more expensive than the Evolution.  Is it also better (quality, ease of use, cleaning, etc.)?  I can't decide between the Evolution with quick-fix extra or the Infinity with it built in.  Like you, I would really like some feedback from Harder Steenbeck users on these two airbrushes before I buy yet another airbrush. 

TomB    

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Posted by Torio on Tuesday, April 3, 2007 2:19 PM

 

As for the quick fix, you don't have the same on your Iwata. As far as I know, the needle travel limiter on Iwata, Badger, Efbe, etc... is a screw that you turn more or less to stop the needle retraction at a point you preset so it can go from zero to this peculiar point. With the H&S one, you do the same plus you can switch this preset on/off by pushing/pulling the ring around the button as to completely allow the needle retraction. I only know the Evolution and not yet the Infinity. They are great airbrushes. I own a number of airbrushes ( Iwata CM C+, HP CH, Badger Sotar, 100 LG, Efbe BI fest, Devilbiss Sprite, Super 63, Paasche AB, etc...) but I think that what I appreciate most are my Evolutions. They are enhanced with FPC, different needle/nozzle/cup combinations, the thinnest ( 0.15 ) with a quick fix ( I think I don't need it in 0.40 or 0.60 ) so it cost me extra bucks through time . I'd say that if you start from zero, go to the Infinity (Two in One) and you'll have a excellent starting set. Evolutions are excellent, so I can't figure why Infinity(s) could not be at least excellent themselves. By the way, the people at Obeeliks are very nice, but fact is that I live in France, so it may be easier to get their parcels due to shorter distance. If you can find a "local" dealer, it could be easier for you, though I've heard of US chaps here in the forum that purchased from Obeeliks.

Thank you all for coming José

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Posted by deerbill on Tuesday, April 3, 2007 6:27 PM

TB,

 Just as an FYI, when I checked with Airhead, they told me the shipping was free.  I don't remember from Precision German's site if they had free shipping as well.  Both are out of Florida. So if I buy one, I will probably go with Airhead.  I didnt even consider the other site I listed because I dont like their website - not as polished.

 My only concern was whether or not I needed the Two in One model.  Basically just two different needle sizes.  They have a solo version with the smaller needle, but was afraid for general coverage, such as a tank base coat it would be too small of a pattern.  Dont really know. Right now, I have been putting up with an old Pasche single action that I've had for 20+ years that I got back in high school.  However, after kinda being out of the hobby for a number of years, I am now getting back in more seriously so its time to upgrade. 

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Posted by TB6088 on Tuesday, April 3, 2007 9:17 PM

Jose',

Thanks for the information.  Sounds like you have a lot of experience with H&S.  One advantage I've heard of is that you can remove the needle through the front of the airbrush.  Is that true?  That appeals to me because my troublesome HP-C+ has had continual sticky trigger problems, and the Iwata tech thinks it's because I'm pulling paint residue back into the trigger housing and gumming up the piston/O-ring assembly when I remove the needle.  I'm not sure this is the case (I rinse and blow out pretty well before disassembling and never see much paint residue, and I do everything the same with my CM-C+ and have never had a problem), but it sounds like a great idea generally.  I've had to replace the rubber O-ring twice on the HP-C+, which leads me to another feature of the  H&S airbrushes mentioned by Obeeliks which is "solvent-resistant" O-rings.  The O-rings on the Iwata seems to be pretty standard black rubber.  Are the O-rings different on the H&S?  Lastly, I take your comments to mean that you think the Infinity might be a little higher quality than the Evolution.  I'm thinking of the Evolution as basically a replacement for my HP-C+, especially the 0.2 + 0.4 two-in-one.  I do the fine stuff with the CM-C+ (I have 0.18 and 0.23 needle/nozzle options) and I use a Paasche VL for large area coverage.  I'm looking for a middle-ground AB to be the workhorse, and I haven't been satisfied with the HP-C+.  Therefore, I'm inclined to go with the Evolution, except the quick-fix feature on the Infinity sounds great.  Do you know if tha't an option on the Evolution?  Decisions, decisions.  Given your experience with all of those airbrushes, I'd be interested in any further insights you can provide. Thanks,

TomB

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Posted by deerbill on Wednesday, April 4, 2007 7:02 PM

Jose'

 Also wanted to say thanks for the info.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 7, 2007 2:47 AM

Hi everyone,

My first post to this forum. I also wanted to thank the posters. The information here, as well as the link to the ARC forum, answered my questions about the Infinity. I pulled the trigger (ha, ha) and bought the Infinity two in one quick fix along with several accessories. I was in the market after a long hiatus from modeling. I already have an Iwata HP-SB and HP-B Plus, both outstanding airbrushes which have served me well spraying enamels. Having come back into modeling, and wanting to build some of my large scale aircraft models including the recent 1/32 Tamiya F-16, I also wanted to start using acrylic paints (apartment dweller) with the option to use enamels and metalizing laquers. I was looking for an airbrush with a fairly large color cup and larger needle/nozzle for the acrylic paints. A Google search landed me here. I looked up the Infinity and found my airbrushing nirvana.

For those of you still on the fence, I wanted to share my impressions and experience with this gem. The fit and finish are absolutely first rate with everything pefectly chrome plated except the handle, which is anodized aluminum. It feels well balanced and holds well, even with the 15 ml color cup I bought extra. The trigger is smooth in depression and pull, with the top nicely serrated for no slip. The quick fix works just like the adjustable handles on the Iwatas except you can negate the setting instantly by pulling back on the gold colored adjusting knob on the end. It clicks and stays back. To go back to the preset, simply press the silver button in the center of the knob and it springs back to the preset. Very much like a ball point pen. It came in handy when I was freehand painting the darker color of a two tone camo job. I started with a fine line preset to paint the demarcation and then pulled the knob to give me full paint for the fill in. It worked as advertized although honestly, I could just as easily have turned the knob to do the same in five seconds instead of two. Unlike the screwed on nozzle of the Iwatas, the nozzle, with teflon packing attached, slips into a precision bore and is held in by the screw on nozzle cap. The crown tip slips over the cap and is a friction (split ring) fit. This makes removing the nozzle for cleaning or replacing very much easier and less prone to damage since one doesn't need the small Iwata spanner. All the o-rings are made of Viton and packings are Teflon so even laquers are no problem. The color cups are screwed on very close to the base and are sealed by an o-ring held in a groove in the brush body. No leaks, and removing the color cup is a MAJOR improvement making cleaning way easier. Having the option to go with a 2, 5, or 15 ml color cup was the major sell for me. Icing on the cake are the optional side mounted siphon color jars (I bought that too since it was not outrageously expensive). This gives me total flexibility in how I want to paint, from fine lines to covering an F-15E in one shot, a little paint for a small job with less to clean using a small color cup, to holding enough paint to prime an entire model in one continuous spray. This is especially important to me when using the acrylics as they don't have those few seconds to dry at the tip as when adding more color to my HP-B. And speaking of the tip, the crown cap has two very fine points which are enough to protect the tip but make the tip completely accessible from the sides. When painting with the acrylics, any tendency to develop a build up was easily wiped away with an alcohol soaked Q-tip. I could not do that with the Iwata crown cap.

Well you ask, but how does it paint? It comes with the .15 and .4 mm nozzles and tips. Because of the post describing the .15 combo not being ideal for acrylics, I also bought the .2 mm set. It paints as well as my Iwatas using enamels and laquers with the .15 and .2 mm sets. In some ways I even believe it's slightly better in that I seem to get better atomization and the paint density across the paint pattern seems more uniform. I feel this is so because I seem to be moving along faster and not having to overlap as much to get uniform coverage. It also seems less prone to the paint drying partially before it hits the model in that I was able to paint from farther away from the model without developing a frosted finish. The paints I used were MM enamels, Humbrol enamels, Scalecoat II, Alclad II, and Floquil railroad colors and primer. My first experience with acrylics went perfectly. I finished a CSX Dark Future schemed locomotive using Polly scale and Modelflex acrylics, and I experimented with Tamiya acrylics on a styrene sheet. I used the .2 and .4 mm needle and nozzle sets. As I said before, changing them out is a toolless snap! (And yes, the needle can be removed from the front. Simply unscrew the cap and the nozzle slides out with it. The needle is then clearly visible surrounded by the o-ring. A push from the back and out it comes.) All the paints were thinned to a milk consistency except the modelflex, which sprayed out of the bottle. All went on as well as the enamels with no clogging. The .2 mm set did develop a hint of build up occasionally when using the Modelflex paint, but a quick side ways wipe to the accessible tip prevented any issues such as drying or spitting. The .4 mm set worked especially well in covering quickly with less pressure, but I had to be more careful so as not to get runs.

Lastly, my purchasing experience is always important to me and I'm sure to all of you as well. Mine was outstanding and the gentleman went a bit out of his way to anticipate and meet my needs, so I would like to thank Mike of Precision German Airbrush. He has a full inventory so I got all I wanted in one stop and the free shipping (I spent the required amount. Easy to do with the Infinity two in one) with lightning quick (two days USPS priority) delivery made my purchase a pleasure.

Well, that's all I can think of for now. It was a busy but fun day. Hope all of you had the same and thanks for all the great info you are willing to share.

PaulR

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Posted by TB6088 on Saturday, April 7, 2007 11:54 PM

PaulR,

Thanks so much for your thorough review.  You've convinced me to go with the Infinity instead of the Evolution (primarily because I didn't realize you could order it with a 0.20mm nozzle/needle option), and I've sent my basic needs and questions to Mike at Precision German Airbrush as a prelude to purchase.  One question--- you mentioned you purchased a 15ml cup, but I didn't see that listed.  The next larger size appears to be a 50ml cup which seems a little large.   

I use primarily Tamiya or Gunze acrylics instead of enamels, and AlcladII for metal finishes.  From your descriptions, it sounds like the Infinity should work pretty well for both.  Did you also order the nozzle cleaning needle and brush set, and is it needed?  What about the screwdriver for needle seal replacement--- what's that about?  Any other options that you would recommend?  Any comments you have before I "pull the trigger" would be appreciated.  Again, thanks for your input.

TomB

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 8, 2007 7:10 AM

Hi Tom,

On the web site home page, if you click on the infinity two in one it will take you to its dedicated page. Then about half way down click on "parts for infinity." Then almost at the very bottom you will see the 15 ml cup #124263 and the lid #124273.

I went all out and don't regret it at all. Here's what I bought and so far it has all been handy:

.2 mm nozzle set - great all around as I've described.

Airbrush holder module - the compressor connects to the module on the end and the airbrush hose connects to the module underneath. The infinity fits perfectly and the module is heavy and steady. Very handy and way better than my jury rigged brush holder.

15ml cup and caps for 2, 5 , and 15 ml cups - capacity, need I say more?

Side fitting connector set with two glass jars - I use this with the Alclad paints because it allows me to periodically shake the bottle to keep the metal particles in suspension as they tend to settle quite fast in a regular cup.

Nozzle cleaning set - I've used it and it works, mainly my peace of mind knowing its clean, nozzle and all.

braided hose - real quality with quick connect.

Plug in nipples - I got those for the Iwatas (#104063). Hmmm, I now wonder if they'll ever get used again truthfully. The infinity is all the airbrushes in one.

Screwdriver - Looking down the barrel after removing the nozzle the tool will be indispesible if total disassembly is performed. I felt I may as well have it.

I also bought the remaining tools and a spare set of o-rings and teflon gaskets. This way I'm set and will not find myself scrambling when something eventually gives.

It was expensive, I will say. But hey, this hobby, my creative outlet, beats therapy after the long work weeks. I really hope it meets your expectations and you enjoy it as much as I. Let me know your experience after you've had a chance to paint your masterpiece.

PaulR

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Posted by deerbill on Sunday, April 8, 2007 4:26 PM

Tom,

Thanks for all the info.  I have decided to get one as well.

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Posted by TB6088 on Sunday, April 8, 2007 8:15 PM

PaulR,

I've got some back and forth going with Mike at Precision German Airbrush, and it seems I've confused him (or maybe it's me) with my questions about the hose and connectors.  I use a CO2 tank and regulator as an air source and it has an "output" male end about 1/2" or 5/8" in diameter (depending on how I measure it with my ruler).  When I bought my Paasche I bought their hose and it came with a female connector that fits this.  Same when I bought the Iwata-- I bought a braided hose which also came with the same size connector that fits my regulator.  Naturally, I have assumed all this was pretty standard.  I asked Mike about an air hose (thinking that like the others, each brand had it's own type of connector at the AB end of the hose), and he said he would have to check with H&S to see if their hose would connect to my tank/regulator.  I'm a little puzzled by that.  For attachment of the Iwata ABs to the AB end of the hose, I have what Iwata calls a "quick disconnect" adapter on both my Iwata airbrushes and they just snap into the AB end of the Iwata hose (I pull back on the hose connector to release the AB).  I'm wondering if the Infinity will snap into my Iwata hose (in which case I won't need a new hose), if I'll need some sort of adapter, or if I can use my Iwata hose?  If this description makes any sense at all to you, can you tell me if I will have any problem connecting the H&S hose to my regulator, or whether I can connect the Infinity to my Iwata hose?

I agree that all this will cost a bit, but I agree with you that it's my main hobby, which overall is a lot cheaper than (say) golf, so I don't feel too bad about paying for good equipment, models, and supplies.  Also, if the Infinity works as well as advertised, I may just advertise one or both Iwatas on e-bay and recoup some money that way.  Thank you for all your feedback--- It's a great help.

TomB    

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 8, 2007 11:10 PM

TomB,

As far as I can tell, the Iwata also uses the 2.7mm quick disconnect. I looked at the Iwata web site and the picture of the disconnect (part that screws onto the airbrush) looks identicle. This is my first experience with the disconnects. Remember the Infinity comes with the nipple part of the disconnect. I got the AB holder module and braided hose assembly so I changed one end (the part that goes to the compressor/tank) for a barb fitting with an m5 thread to mate with the module. Looking at the fitting that I pulled off, it looks the same as the end on the Paasche hose I got with my Air Eraser Kit. I measured them and they're within .010 inch inner diameter of each other with what appears to be the same thread, but I have no way of testing it so I can't be sure. However, one thing I am sure about, and that is the Iwatas I have have the same thread as the Infinity at the end of the air valve. All you would have to do is unscrew the Infinity nipple and replace it with the one from your Iwata. Look at the picture of the Infinity and you'll see what I'm talking about. So to answer your question, I'm sure you will be able to use your existing hose and coupling with the Infinity.

All the best, PaulR

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Posted by Torio on Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:19 PM

 

TomB and Dearbill, de nada, chaps, if somebody can give help, that is why we are all here.

Sorry for the delay to answer, I would have said that the Evolution can take off the needle from the front and that the joint is made of teflon, but Flyer did it and much more before. It is obvious that what goes for the Evolution does for the Infinity. If I look back , I bought a 4709 Aztek from someone who wanted to buy an Evolution and I thought "what is this, another gadget ?". Then when I wanted to go more "metal", I thought of it and bought my first one. I bought a number of airbrushes since (17) and still love the Evolutions. Two years ago, there was here the famous Badger/Iwata war and I began telling the chaps around that they should take a look at the Evolutions as they were most interesting. And I noticed that some others had also tried ( not my influence in any aspect) and loved them. I think that now you can get H&S easily in the US,  things could change in the "airbrush landscape", but no more wars, guys, only love.

As for the connection, I resolved the problem, as my airbrushes come from 6 (7 but Badger and T&C share the same features there) different brands, and I don't want to breed airhoses, every airbrush uses a NW 2.7 quick connect and share the same airhose. 

Thank you all for coming José

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 13, 2007 12:29 PM

    Hey guys

I am looking to buy a new airbrush, I need one that is very fine line and I can do shadows and fades. I am still learning, but I don't want to waste my money on some junk, because down the road I am going to want the best. You get what you pay for, an I think if your learning it pays to learn on the best. Now having said all of that, I was thinking of the Infinity Solo w/ quickfix, or the Two in One. OK lets have at it.?????????????????????

Also I have a Passche VL....and a Badger 155 that I would like to put a quick connet on, so I can hook any brush up to my air line.

THANKS   Shadow 

 

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Posted by Torio on Friday, April 13, 2007 6:41 PM

 

I'd say Two In One. Once you get a new "toy" you want to play with the more extras you can.

When I was about 12, my parents bought me a race circuit for Christmas ( I don't know if it is the right word, but think of Scalextric or Strombecker, a circuit with miniature race cars) and I always dreamed of the "counter portion" a piece of circuit track with two counters to know who won the race; you had to buy it separately but my parents found it unnecessary and I never got it. Then the toy was broken, my father used the cars engines to put into a model boat, and the remaining went to refuse. I'm 50 now and I still think of it from time to time as a frustration. Maybe my life would have been different if... 

Thank you all for coming José

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Posted by TB6088 on Friday, April 13, 2007 10:54 PM

Shadow,

I just ordered the Infinity 2 in 1 with most of the extras mentioned by PaulR.  I realize that if this airbrush is as good and can cover as many bases as "advertised", one or two of my other airbrushes will become superfluous.  If that happens, I'm going to be looking to sell those to recoup some of the expense of the Infinity.  I guess I'm feeling like that partly because I'm also feeling a little guilty for having so many (this makes my fourth) and spending so much--- especially since I'm not all that good at airbrushing yet.  I understand the argument about better tools making for better results, but I also know that talent is far more important than the tool--- I'm reminded of the story of Lee Trevino as a barefoot kid on the border challenging golfers and beating them using a Dr. Pepper bottle instead of golf clubs.  I do like using good tools, and I agree with you that it should make learning a bit easier, but I'm not fooling myself into thinking a better airbrush will result in better models--- that's up to me.

TomB       

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Posted by raspy on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:01 PM

I just took delivery of this brush and I gotta say Its worth every penny i paid for it.I've shot acrylics(Tamiya,Gunze) through the 0.15 tip with no problems at all.The qfix works good too.The build quality is superb and it feels like it too.Being an avid Badger fan for the last 2 years(got 4 of them)they just don't compare.The only criticism I got is the fact that here in the UK spares are not as widely available as elsewhere,but seeing that I only ordered it Sunday evening from Obeeliks and less than 48hrs later it was here this should'nt pose too much problem.

GAZ

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Posted by deerbill on Tuesday, May 15, 2007 9:21 PM

Well I finally received my Infinity 2 in 1 this weekend but didnt get to try it until this evening. All I can say is WOW!!!  This is my first dual action airbrush.  Was replacing my old Pasche VL that I have had for over 20 years.  WOW, oh I already said that.  Well WOW again!!  I have never been able to paint that fine of lines.  Just practiced on old newspaper and in no time I was underlining words.  Still have to get used to the action, but am I going to love this airbrush.

My old Pasche could never atomize the paint like this jewel does.  I mainly do armor and my Pasche did ok for that, but when I wanted a change of pace and did a car, I could never seem to shoot a smooth finish. After what I witnessed tonight, I think those days are over.  If you have around $240 dollars laying around -- get one.

 

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Posted by mucker on Friday, May 18, 2007 11:08 AM
Do any of you have some pics you can share of what you were able to spray with the new H&S airbrush? I am debating whether or not I "need" one...Your comments so far are very helpful.

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Posted by deerbill on Monday, June 4, 2007 8:31 PM

OK Mucker, here goes.

This is my first time to ever post a pic. My picture taking sucks - so sorry.  Anyway, this was my first test subject for the new airbrush.  It was an old Hanomag 251/1 that I built over 20 years ago. I stripped all the old paint and dissassembled where I could and started over.  It was also my first time to use acrylics.  I used ModelMaster Dunkelgelb.  As you can see from the pics, on one side, the visor port is missing.  Again this was a test subject model.  I plan to cover it with maybe some camo netting hanging over that portion.  The airbrush worked great and I love it so far.  Clean up is real easy.  Sorry my pics dont do it any justice but I hope they help some.

Also hope they are not too late for your decision.

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Posted by mucker on Tuesday, June 5, 2007 7:29 AM

Very nice, deerbill. My decision is on hold, but only because we're having some basement work done which both ties up some funds and also has my workspace all but closed for the next 5 weeks.

But your work does push me all that much more towardst he Infinity. What I'm interested in now is the freehand camo work that you can do without the overspray. The fact that you were using acrylics is also a plus, because that's what I use.

Thanks again for the pictures. Great model, too, by the way.

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