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  • Member since
    April 2005
  • From: Baton Rouge, LA
Posted by T_Terrific on Tuesday, August 7, 2007 11:57 AM

It looks to me like you are bordering on "re-inventing the wheel" as well as confusing solvent based paint with a fired-on glazed coating.

In answer to your question, "Appliances do not seem to yellow" the reason is that typically household,heavy-use appliances, such as washers and dryers' coating are not a solvent-based paint, but a melted-on pigmented glass coating. The glass is a natural UV blocker, thus the pigment will not dull or break down, fade, yellow, etc. The reason why you only see this type of coating on metal and pottery is that you must melt the glass with intense heat for it to flow and bond as a coating. Plastic will not stand up to the firing process, any more then being left in your kitchen oven turned up high.

If you want to check it out, take a hammer with a pointy end and hit your glazed-enamel appliance (you might pick a spot your wife won't notice) and watch the glass coating flake off, leaving a nice little bare spot, usually of the base-enamel painted primer coat they gave the metal. When I did this by accident, when I dropped a tooI in the laundry room, I covered up the damaged spot with a nice, shiney gun-club sticker, and figureing it was just some of my nonsense, my wife never found out I damaged her applience's finish. Whistling [:-^]

Similarly, go out and find an old '60-something car or truck, which should have nothing more then a painted enamel coating, and look for a dent in it. Notice that the solvent-based enamel generally flexes with the metal, with the only bare spots being where the sheet metal gets a crease in it,usually with no paint missing at the point of impact-flexible and rugged, unlike your washing machine's coating. I have actually pounded out dents of my older cars and simply had to touch up the piant where the creases were before, and the major dent needed no primer, since the paint just stayed put.

Now as for your "Dulux Aquanamel" paint, I don't now if you realize this or not, but the typical modern acrylic model paints are simply a water-based enamel paint.

Go figure:

  Aqua=water

  'namel=enamel

A razzle-dazzel label for seeking to market acrylics over latex for home projects.

Now that you know this, just why would you seek to do what others like Testors is already doing for us, especially considering that the pigments for scale model paints are disctincly different then those for general household purposes as well?

  Tom Cowboy [C):-)]

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  • Member since
    November 2005
Yellowing Whites
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 4, 2007 9:03 PM

Hello,

Just thought I'd start a topic to discuss yellowing whites. 

Given my main area of interest is Patlabor, a large proportion of the vehicles I'll be painting are going to be sunlight exposed white.

With the reading I've done (a few hobby links about the place - and one on future floor polish) it mentioned that white paints yellow with age. And that actually triggered a memory of mine. I did a white Macross Veritech when I was a teen, and that yellowed over time.

So I started worrying. And researching.

From my research it appears there are two types of white paint yellowing that occurs. Lead white paint that yellows if it doesn't get exposed to light, and normal paints that yellow with UV exposure.

Are there white paints that don't yellow? I believe so. Appliances do not seem to yellow.

Googling on non yellowing paints (and trips to paint stores) lead me to a couple of products that claim non-yellowing:

- Selley's Appliance Touch Up. This is basically a bottle of appliance paint

- Dulux Aquanamel (http://dulux.com.au/html/planning/product_range_aquanamel.aspx) 

The Dulux Aquanamel actually looks pretty good as a paint (I'll probably end up using it on my house as well :) ). They had a sample at the hardware store showing normal white and the aquanamel. And the difference was noticable. As the web page says "Non Yellowing: Unlike solvent based enamels Aquanamel finishes do not yellow.". If they are claiming that it should work.

Unfortunately you can only get it in 1 litre or 4 litre cans... Which got me thinking, how awesome if would be to be able to tint and mix my own model paints... Tongue [:P] 

Regarding tests, I'm going to paint some pieces of white sprue with various white paints and leave them in the sun for months and see what the results are. And post pictures over time.

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