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So confused about AirBrushes...
Posted by Courtney on Wednesday, September 19, 2007 10:18 PM

So I've been trying to research about an AB for me, but when ever I try to lookup some info, all of these names are thrown out and are said to be great and nothing really is explaind. Which leaves me either confused or wondering if that'd be an okay AB...

I've never handled a 'real' AB before, I've used a lousy plastic ab that would hook up to a can and was just...lousy. So I'm a newbie at it. I have small hands so anything really bulky can cause my fingures to lock up, same with anything really small in diameter. Something in the range of pencil or slightly larger is nice. I want one that is newbie friendly, but will still be a nice AB once I get the hang and grow. I'd also really like a silent compressor but I've managed to find some prices and their out of my price range right now..

speaking of price range... Would I get a good AB and compressor for a little over $300?

Thanks in advance

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Posted by Bgrigg on Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:16 PM

I like the Badger 100/150/200 series of airbrushes. They're a bit thicker than a pencil, about the size of the fine line Sharpies. I'm perhaps biased as I have one of each! The nice thing about that is that many of the parts are the same, so I don't have to keep a stock pile of parts.

Which one is dependant on what you expect to do with the airbrush. 

The Badger 200-20 is a great airbrush for beginners, or even "experts". Single action siphon fed with the PPS paint measuring system that allows you to "dial" in the thickness of line for consistancy. It can be found at  Dixie Art for $49.00 including shipping as long as you exceed $60 in total purchases. Can use bottles or color cups.

The Badger 150 is the dual action version minus the PPS system. Great for spraying large solids, sells for around $63. Can use bottles or color cups.

The Badger 100G or LG is the dual action gravity fed version, minus the PPS system. These are often the brush of choice for many modelers. Gravity fed brushes are arguably better for fine lines, as they require slightly less air pressure to spray the line. Siphon fed brushes require a higher PSI to pickup the paint from the bottle or color cup. Goes for $69. The difference between the G or LG is the size of the fixed color cup.

If I had to choose only one airbrush, I would go for the 100LG, though the 200-20 comes really close. The 150 is an excellent brush, but it doesn't do anything the other can't do, and can't do some of the stuff they CAN do.

My recommendation to people wanting to buy their first airbrush is the 200-20 for it's simplicity and ease of use. 

I've heard nothing but good things about Iwatas, but I've also heard that they tend to be a bit finicky, where the Badgers are perhaps a bit more forgiving. They also tend to be more expensive, though the Revolution series is pretty much the same as the 100/150s. Paasche are another very good manufacturer, but they tend to be a bit chunky in size. I found them uncomfortable in comparision with the Badgers. 

Grab a Silentaire Scorpion I for $149 at Dixie Art, a few spare needles, head washers and o-rings and a bottle of lube, and you should be able to get the whole package for $250 with enough left over for a kit and some paints!

So long folks!

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Posted by Courtney on Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:41 AM
Thank you. That was very informative :) Also thank you for pointing me towards the silentaire scorpion I, I could work in the garage without disturbing anyone inside the house during winter.
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Posted by mucker on Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:17 AM

While I can't contradict anything Bill has said regarding Badger, I can recommend from my personal experience is the Iwata "Eclipse" series. This was my first purchased AB 4+ years ago and is still my workhorse today. Regardless of which brand you go with, I'm biased towards the gravity fed systems.

DixieArt.com has packages for Iwata's as well.

Just my 2 cents. Bets of luck in your purchase and hopefully we'll see some of your finely airbrushed work on these forums!

DHM
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Posted by DHM on Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:53 PM

I have an Iwata Eclipse BCS, which I love to death.  I use it for modeling and for painting T-shirts as a hobby.  However the Eclipse CS, which is gravity fed, is probably better for modleing.  If I only used airbrushes for modeling, I would secnd Bgrigg's recomendation for the 100LG.  In my opinion, it is probably the best airbrush you could get to paint models.  The Omni 4000 is also a very good choice, isn is easier to take apart/maintain with less small parts and a simpler but equally good head assembly.  For a compressor, I recommend The Paasche D200, which can be bought with a regulator/water trap for $150.  It can produce higher pressure, giving you more flexibility.  I like using higher pressure to clean my airbrush.  You can always use the regulator to lower the pressure for the actual painting. 

 Here is a link to the Badger 100 series at Dixie Art:http://dixieart.com/Badger100.html

 Here is a link to the Omni series at Bear Air (Dixie Art is out of stock) :http://bearair.com/prodinfo.asp?number=100251

Here is a link to the Paasche compressors at Dixie Art: http://dixieart.com/Paasche_Compressors.html

 Just my My 2 cents [2c].  Whatever you decide to get, good luck with your purchase and have fun spraying paint!

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Posted by Courtney on Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:31 PM

I have one more question, what type of paints should I use for an AB?

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Posted by Bgrigg on Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:39 PM

That depends on what type of paints YOU want to use. All paints can be used with ABs.

I prefer acrylics for two big reasons:

  1. My wife prefers the smell of acrylics in comparison to enamels (if momma ain't happy, ain't NOBODY happy). Note that doesn't mean she likes the smell, only tolerates it better.
  2. Easy cleanup. I'm one big lazy butt! Acrylics can be cleaned up with Windex.

Enamels & Lacquers require stronger solvents for clean up. And they're pretty stinky, both the paint & the solvent.

This isn't a strictly true observation but armor guys tend to use enamels & wingy-thingy guys tend to use acrylics. I think it's because armor guys are used to toiling in the dirt! Propeller [8-]

Edit D'uh, I typed enamels twice, meant acrylics for the wingy-thingy guys! /edit 

So long folks!

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Posted by Courtney on Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:51 PM

I think I'll go with Acrylics, I use to use Enamel when I first got into models (because it was the only type my dad had) and always hated the stronge oder from them.

 

Thank you for helping me :)

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Posted by Bgrigg on Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:48 PM

You're welcome, it's my pleasure to help! 

Just so you know, acrylics airbrush beautifully, but some (Tamiya especially) can be a bear to brush.

 

So long folks!

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Posted by MikeV on Friday, September 21, 2007 8:03 PM

Courtney,

I will be glad to help in any way I can.

I have a pretty extensive collection of airbrushes and will help you the best I can.

I own most all of of the Badger/Thayer & Chandler brand of double action aibrushes. 

 

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 21, 2007 8:17 PM

I used to recommend illustration brushes such as the 100/150 series, but lately I've changed my train of thought.  I think for overall performance and maintenance that is reasonably priced, I would recommend the Badger 155 Anthem.  For a beginning airbrusher (or experienced for that matter), it's very easy to use and it's EASY to maintain.  No head seals or tips to disassemble.  It sprays nicely, is well balanced, and it's reliable.  If you buy it, get a couple of extra tips and needles and you will be set.  HTH.

 

E

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Posted by NikToo on Monday, September 24, 2007 4:40 AM

I'm in the Eclipse family as well, and just love it. I managed to get an Iwata Power Jet for $150 off eBay as well (always lots of second hand stuff there, but avoid the cheap copies, they are NOT the same, regardless of what they say).

Paint wise I use Vallejo Model Air, which I love 100%, and LifeColor's paint sets (if you do German AFVs they do two invaluable sets of paints for them).

On the bench: Tamiya 1/48 Tiger I: Tamiya 1/48 Jagdpanther: Skybow 1/48 Tiger I Late:
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 25, 2007 8:05 AM

hi there , you should realy look in Testors airbrush & compressor range , i have been using testors A470 set & its been wonderrfullll............it has lifetime warranty & this is the sixth year i been on it . reply me on my e-mail : dnaxpress76@yahoo.com

DHM
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Posted by DHM on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:36 PM

Glad to hear it's been working for you.  However, Testor's/Aztec airbrushes have been known to have problems and break easily.I have heard mainly bad things about them.  They are still perfectly capable of laying down a nice coat of paint on a model, but I don't feel that they are very reliable. 

jwb
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Posted by jwb on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:57 PM
 dami76 wrote:

hi there , you should realy look in Testors airbrush & compressor range , i have been using testors A470 set & its been wonderrfullll............it has lifetime warranty & this is the sixth year i been on it . reply me on my e-mail : dnaxpress76@yahoo.com

I'm enjoying my 470, too. I also have a Paasche VL. My compressor is a Paasche. I use my Aztek only now, though I have the Paasche standing by if needed.

Main thing to remember is it's not so much the airbrush as it is the hand that holds it. Brett Green from Hyperscale is one of the most accomplished modelers in the world- and uses an Aztek. I have a friend at the LHS that honestly builds kits that just make me scratch my head in amazement at his paint techniques, and he uses an Iwata. Several guys on these boards uses Badgers, Paasche and others. All build world class stuff.

What they all have in common is lots and and lots and lots of hours of practice. You certainly need a good airbrush, and must follow the directions for cleaning and maintaining. But what will really make your models take off is lots of practice and trying new techniques. A plastic milk jug makes a great practice "canvas", or even a simple model build specifically for airbrushing.

Any of the airbrushes folks list here are good- pick one that fits your budget. If you have a local model club, check with them. Maybe some folks would let you try their's out?

Airbrushing is a lot of fun.... I love doing it! As long as you practice and have a little patience, you'll enjoy whatever airbrush you purchase.

Smile [:)] 

Jon Bius

AgapeModels.com- Modeling with a Higher purpose

"For I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." ~ Jeremiah 29:11

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Posted by ben1227 on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:38 PM
 MikeV wrote:

Courtney,

I will be glad to help in any way I can.

I have a pretty extensive collection of airbrushes and will help you the best I can.

I own most all of of the Badger/Thayer & Chandler brand of double action aibrushes. 

 

 

 

Wow Mike...1,2,3...4...5...6,7,8,9,10..11! As for what Bill was saying, I agree. Acryls smell nicer, and I've been tempted to switch...So I'm phasing out most, not all, of my enamels. I purchased the Badger 100LG as my first Airbrush, per Bill's recommendation. If you have lots of patience and are a quick learner, a internal-mix double action would be a great first brush that you can always use without have to buy a "beginner" brush and move up to something better. I like the 100LG. Gravity fed, good for my cheap low pressure compressor, ease of getting replacement parts, and it makes nice fine lines. If you have no patience what-so-ever and are a slow learner, like me, opt for an internal mix single action, such as a Badger 200. I would consider go buying one right now, even though I have a 100LG. That means it's a pretty good AB...

.:On the Bench:. Tamiya 1/72 M6A1-K
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Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:39 PM
 DHM wrote:

I have an Iwata Eclipse BCS, which I love to death.  I use it for modeling and for painting T-shirts as a hobby. 


Let's see the T-shirts mister! I have done a few also. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
DHM
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Posted by DHM on Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:56 AM
MikeV, when I was searching this forum for information a while back, I saw some pics of your work and I think it looked incredible!  I'm still very new to it and I'm still in the learning process.  I'm not very good but I still have fun doing it.  Aside form the BCS, I have a an el cheapo single action and a Vega 2000, which I would use a lot more if the needle's tip wasn't slightly bent.  The hobby shop I go to doesn't sell needles for it, and I havn't gotten around to ordering a new one. 
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Posted by MikeV on Friday, September 28, 2007 6:45 PM

 DHM wrote:
MikeV, when I was searching this forum for information a while back, I saw some pics of your work and I think it looked incredible!  I'm still very new to it and I'm still in the learning process.  I'm not very good but I still have fun doing it.  Aside form the BCS, I have a an el cheapo single action and a Vega 2000, which I would use a lot more if the needle's tip wasn't slightly bent.  The hobby shop I go to doesn't sell needles for it, and I havn't gotten around to ordering a new one. 

Cool! All of the stuff you saw that I airbushed was with the Vega 2000.

That was my second airbrush I ever owned after learning on a Paasche VL.  

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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