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    November 2007
demarcation blues
Posted by Ol' tremblin' fingers overspray on Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:38 AM

hi all,

a quick prefix (newbie alert) and we're away:

I'm painting a testors re-release of the old "weird-oh" novelty figure (large figures - not your small military men) and it's my first model.  I'm having a merry-old time trying to get hard demarcation lines on the helmet of this (american) football player.  The area has a large sweeping curve and I used maskol.  It went on ok (I could have done better with my brushstrokes... they don't call me ol' tremblin' for nuthin') but when I peeled it away I was left with an uneven line as the mask lifted some of the paint in a flaking manner.  I had to strip everything off and start again, this time by applying large stips of tamiya masking tape, pressing in hard, tracing the line, removing the tape, cutting the line with a curved blade and then setting the adjusted tape hard up where it was needed.  It actually worked pretty good except for a couple of places where 2 pieces of tape overlayed.  I guess I have 2 questions: did I do anything wrong with the maskol, and how would an experienced modeler tackle a little job like this.  I swear I would have finished this model by now if I could border the paint properly!

  • Member since
    January 2007
Posted by IYAAYAS on Saturday, November 24, 2007 5:24 AM

about the only thing I can suggest is to seal your masking mediumwith a light coat of future to help prevent bleed through.

hope this helps!

  • Member since
    December 2003
  • From: Indiana
Posted by hkshooter on Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:49 AM

I'm assuming you brushed on the paint. With any masking medium if you apply a very thick coat of paint, where the paint transitions over the edge of the mask the paint could be thick enough to have a fair amount of strength. When the mask is removed the paint will not tear along the mask line but will tear somewhere where the paint is thinner and weaker. Some will tell you to use a new, sharp blade and score the paint along the mask line before removing the tape. Personally, I don't like the cut line that this sometimes leaves but it is very effective.

My suggestion would be to remove the mask media as soon as possible after the paint is applied. This way the paint is still liquid and will not have strength to pull or crack. As far as the bleed through on tape seams the best way to battle this is to use a tool to burnish the edges of the tape where they overlap.

Finally, be sure your surface prep is good. Make sure the surface receiving the paint is clean and oil free, no finger prints and such. Anything like this on the surface and the paint will not adhere well and be much more likely to lift or tear when the mask is removed.

  • Member since
    November 2007
Posted by Ol' tremblin' fingers overspray on Monday, November 26, 2007 3:05 AM

Sorry to get back to this late, but I appreciate the advice.  I used an airbrush once the mask was on, so I don't think it went on too thick, but then again I may have been a bit heavy-handed in an attempt to make sure I was thorough.  I like what you said hkshooter about pulling the mask up soon after painting while the coat is still wet.  I was really dissapointed with the original outcome, especially as I thought the liquid mask was ingenious and the answer to all my curved-and-generally-difficult masking challenges in the future.  I still think it can be handy, but I'll be following advice and peeling it off wet in the future.  I wonder if the fact that my maskol layer was so thin contributed to the problem?  I can't see how you could apply it thick and still be accurate as the stuff is so dense and gooey.

Thanks for the tips!

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Melbourne, Australia
Posted by darson on Monday, November 26, 2007 10:37 PM

Hey there tremblin' and Sign - Welcome [#welcome] to FSM.

Tamping down the edges of your mask with a tooth pick to ensure it's down hard and fast as well as sealing the edges and crossover points with clear varnish (Future) are both good ideas IMHO.  Also spray in a couple of reasonably thinned light coats at a low PSI rather than one thick one sprayed hard can help avoid bleeding under a mask.

Cheers

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