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P-47D Paint issues...
Posted by ben1227 on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:03 PM

I'm currently working on the 1/72 Tamiya Razorback. The decal option I want to do:

How exactly do you paint (airbrush actually) the color demarcation lines where the olive drab ends and the neutral gray begins on the tail and the undersides of the plane? Airbrush the whole thing olive drab and go back and airbrush the tail neutral gray? Finally, the very light gray color under the noseart on both sides is 1 part white to 5 parts neutral gray. To save some time with mixing that up, what Gunze/Tamiya acrylic gray is already closest to that?

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Posted by Phil_H on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:27 PM

Ben,

It's far easier to paint a dark colour over a light base than to paint a light colour over a dark base, so paint the grey first, then the OD.

It shouldn't be too difficult to get a clean edge freehand, but another option would be to "soft-mask" it. Cut a piece of thin cardboard (eg. an index card) to the pattern you want and hold it about a toothpick's thickness away from the surface and spray.

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Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:36 PM
 Phil_H wrote:

Ben,

It's far easier to paint a dark colour over a light base than to paint a light colour over a dark base, so paint the grey first, then the OD.

It shouldn't be too difficult to get a clean edge freehand, but another option would be to "soft-mask" it. Cut a piece of thin cardboard (eg. an index card) to the pattern you want and hold it about a toothpick's thickness away from the surface and spray.

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Posted by ben1227 on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:34 PM
That means I paint the whole thing gray, top and bottom, before OD? Should I paint the white on the leading edges first too? It just seems to make more sense to do all the OD and go back and mask the white/gray parts.
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Posted by ruddratt on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:57 PM
I would do the white first and mask it before I painted anything else, because it has a hard edge (meaning you can leave the mask in place while everything else is painted) and it is the lightest color present on the aircraft

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Posted by Gigatron on Thursday, November 29, 2007 2:58 PM

Ben,

Hopefully, the guns aren't installed as of yet.  Paint the leading edges white.  Then use masking tape (after the paint has cured) and mask the area you want to remain white.  Then, paint the underside and tail section, grey.  Mask off the lower sides of the fuselage (but below the level of where the olive drab will be because it's not a hard edge) and most of the tail section, to prevent overspray.  Paint the topside olive drab.  When you get to the demarcation, use a soft mask as describe above to paint the olive drab over grey.

Hope that helps a bit.

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Posted by ben1227 on Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:45 PM
 Gigatron wrote:

Ben,

Hopefully, the guns aren't installed as of yet.  Paint the leading edges white.  Then use masking tape (after the paint has cured) and mask the area you want to remain white.  Then, paint the underside and tail section, grey.  Mask off the lower sides of the fuselage (but below the level of where the olive drab will be because it's not a hard edge) and most of the tail section, to prevent overspray.  Paint the topside olive drab.  When you get to the demarcation, use a soft mask as describe above to paint the olive drab over grey.

Hope that helps a bit.

-Fred

 

Thanks, that sounds like a good way to do it. I haven't even started the kit yet actually, I just wanted to know this stuff ahead of time. One last thing...The top overall is Tamiya XF-62 Flat OD. Unfortunately, squadron is out of stock on that and I can't wait for backorder. What's the next best acrylic OD green that Squadron has in stock right now? I was thinking Gunze but they have three Olive Drab colors listed, all called Olive Drab, but each picture shows a different color. Only one is in stock. Can someone explain?  

 

 

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Posted by wayne baker on Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:37 PM
Can't see much of a difference in those color chips, but one could be U.S., one could be Italian and another could be a third country's o.d.  I don't know for sure.  They have Testors acrylics listed in the catalog, including ANA 613, which is the specified o.d. at the beginning of the war.  Sometime after the start, o.d. got greener, and lighter.  I didn't check availability.

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Posted by ben1227 on Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:00 PM
So would that single Gunze OD green that's in stock be ok?
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Posted by wayne baker on Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:21 PM
I can't really tell you.  I'm not sure I trust an internet color chip.  They all look pretty dark and green.  I myself would go with the Testors ANA 613 in Acrly or see if they had FS34087 in Acrly.  I have used some colors with ok results.  See if you can talk to a real person at Squadron to find out more about that Gunze color.

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Posted by ben1227 on Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:41 PM
Since Gunze provides FS numbers, is there any way to view a Federal Standard color chart online to see exactly what it looks like?
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Posted by Phil_H on Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:29 PM

If you look at this item, http://www.squadron.com/NoStock.asp?item=MAH304 you will find in the description...

Description: Olive Drab. Semi-Gloss. FS34087. US. Acrylic.10ML

is there any way to view a Federal Standard color chart online to see exactly what it looks like?

Go to http://www.colorserver.net/ and enter the number of the color you require. It will display as closely as is possible on a computer screen.

EDIT: It appears that 34087 isn't avaiable on the color server.

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Posted by wayne baker on Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:29 PM

The federal chart is 595a.  I can't get one to come up in a Mozilla search.  IPMS Stockholm color comparrison says you want H304.  Is that the one available?  Here is the comparrison chart.

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_fs.htm

 

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Posted by ben1227 on Friday, November 30, 2007 3:38 PM
I knew 304 was what looked right, but that's out of stock. I guess I'll just go with the testors OD since I just realized it's Pollyscale, not Model Master or Testors and I have major airbrush problems with those. Should I get Pollyscale U.S. Olive Drab ANA613 or U.S. Olive Drab FS34087?
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Posted by ben1227 on Friday, November 30, 2007 3:41 PM

One more thing. For the neutral gray on the bottom and the tail, Tamiya refers to using their Aircraft Spray (AS) rattle cans. But I don't want to. I'm gonna get a Gunze gray, but what'd be the closest to Neutral Gray? Gunze makes a LOT of grays all called...well...gray.

EDIT: Tamiya makes a NG in the jar, it's XF-53. But doesn't it figure, they're out of stock at Squadron. Has anyone tried the Mega Hobby place before that FSM's always advertising at the top? Are they reliable? I'm thinking about getting all my Tamiya paints from there for the P-47 since they have it all in stock.

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Posted by wayne baker on Friday, November 30, 2007 6:33 PM
Gunze H305 will work, or Testors FS36118.  Looking at most peoples posts, I think they use 35087.  Probably wouldn't go wrong with that.  And you can probably use it more often, on other kits.

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Posted by ben1227 on Friday, November 30, 2007 7:59 PM
Oh well, Mega Hobby didn't even stock half the Tamiya line. Sad. I'll get the Pollyscale 34087 and look for the closest thing to neutral gray I can find.
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Posted by wayne baker on Friday, November 30, 2007 8:28 PM
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Posted by ben1227 on Friday, November 30, 2007 11:19 PM

For neutral gray? According to colorserver.net that's not an FS number...I see U.S. Neutral Gray ANA603...

 

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Posted by wayne baker on Saturday, December 1, 2007 8:07 PM
Neutral gray and British ocean gray have the same FS number.  During the war, when North American was building Mustangs for England, FS36118 was used for ocean gray.  Testors makes ANA603 in acrylic and it is in stock at Squadron.  It appears that Roll Models has the Gunze colors that you are looking for.

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Posted by dirtball on Tuesday, December 4, 2007 1:59 AM
Have you checked with GREAT MODELS yet? They may have it.
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