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Help - hand brushing with acrylics

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Posted by Triarius on Friday, January 4, 2008 11:07 AM

Actually, Jesse, neither have I—but some have, ergo my caveat.

The reason an enamel primer "helps" acrylic adhesion is that the primer is more aggressive to the plastic surface—has more bite, as they say. The acrylic bonds with the enamel because the primer surface was designed (yes, it actually was) to provide a good bond with an overlying coating. Enamels are also more forgiving of surface contamination by skin oil and release agents, as well as plasticizers because these contaminants are soluble in the solvents used in enamels. Even alcohol solvent systems such as Tamiya and Gunze are much less tolerant.

However, using an enamel primer seems to negate much of the advantages of using acrylics, to my mind. For that matter, I use one of Tamiya's flat light gray colors as my primer for almost everything.

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

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Posted by ajlafleche on Friday, January 4, 2008 10:42 AM
If you're doing cars, a rattle can will give you a much better finish than brush painting.

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Posted by usmc1371 on Friday, January 4, 2008 10:36 AM

I've never had a problem with lifting during second coating of Tamiya Acrylics.  I usually wait about an hour before applying a second coat.  I also prime my model with an enamel or lacquer based primer.  I've found that the primer greatly helps acrylic adhesion.

Jesse

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  • From: Peoples Socialist Democratic Republic of Illinois
Posted by Triarius on Friday, January 4, 2008 10:13 AM

The keys to good adhesion with acrylics of any brand are a very clean surface and proper curing. Simple Green and Windex are excellent for cleaning plastic surfaces to receive acrylic paint. Rinse thoroughly and wipe down with alcohol, paint when the alcohol has evaporated (use 90% isopropyl or ethyl/denatured alcohol.)

For hand brushing, which produces a thicker dried film, allow 24 hours between major coats. 

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

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  • From: Rothesay, NB Canada
Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, January 4, 2008 9:08 AM
Thanks for the list o' tips Jesse. I'll have a peek at that pdf too and try to keep these in mind. I've got a bad shell of a Spitfire that I can practice on, see how it works.

How easily does the previous coat lift off when going over with a second coat? I expect I should just be making a single brush stroke to avoid lifting.

Vance

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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  • From: Maryland
Posted by usmc1371 on Friday, January 4, 2008 8:38 AM

Howdy,

Brush painting with Tamiya Acrylics is a lot different from brush painting with enamels.  Here are some tips:

  1. Always end your brush stroke in an area already wet with paint.  In other words, your brush stroke should start in an unpainted area and end in a wet, painted area.
  2. Try dipping your brush tip in Tamiya's thinner before dipping the brush into the paint.  This will help release the paint from the brush and stop it from clumping in the bristles.  I dip my brush in thinner about once every two times I dip the brush into paint.
  3. Use Tamiya's thinner with Tamiya's paint.  I find it works the best.
  4. Try to not to go over the same area more than two times when the paint is wet.
  5. Allow about an hour between applying coats.
  6. Darker colors may require two coats.  Lighter colors may require about 3.
  7. Never paint directly from the container.  Transfer the paint to a palette.
  8. Occasionally add thinner to the paint on the palette as it dries.

The acrylics have a shorter working time then enamels which causes some people to have problems with brush painting.  It just takes a little bit of practice.  There is an article called "Brush-Painting Basics" by Matthew Usher.  It's available in the Kalmbach book "Paint and Weather Scale Models".  There's also a free article here: http://finescale.com/fsm/objects/pdf/basicsofbrushpainting.pdf

Hope this helps.

Jesse

  • Member since
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  • From: Rothesay, NB Canada
Help - hand brushing with acrylics
Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, January 4, 2008 8:03 AM
Well folks, I'm at a crossroads: I've generally stuck to Humbrol and Model Master enamels over the years with very good (by my eye!) results, both airbrushng and brush painting. Heading into Christmas I used some Humbrol - which I've had very good luck with - to paint a gift for my father. Dad always gets a muscle car for Christmas. Being a very vibrant green with white "power stripe" I expected to need a few coats of each for proper coverage. I think I gave up on the green 4 or 5 coats in, still not good enough to call done. Anyway, as my local shop didn't have a duplicate of the kit, I ended up going to the local craft store chain, in a fit of holiday rage and buying a similar model to grab the outer shell & hood from. I then used Tamiya acrylics, two mist coats of each colour & poof - I'm done. Add this to the fact that my local guy is carrying fewer enamels, and I'm starting to think I may need to make the change.

HOWEVER I don't seem to be able to brush with the acrylics very well, they dry up some quick. Any tips & tricks? If I use thinner, they'd stay wet longer I suppose, but I'd end up needing more coats right. If I can't brush on to touch up my mistakes... I'm not interested!

Keep in mind that the cars are for dad only, I usually stick to something with wings and propellers. I suppose the occasional brush stroke can be covered with weathering.

(Apologies for the long-winded story, I'm still recovering from the trauma. If anyone else needs to vent - feel free!)

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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