BADGER ALIVE AND VERY WELL (repost to this forum) Poppie, please email me

ps1scw wrote:

When is the next garage sale.  The item I wanted to pick up was sold out.

Hey, my eyes have glazed over at all this. Poppie is in, Poppie is out. Badger is in, out and now in and never was out. Sparks are flying and everyone in a tizzy. Whoooowheeeee, it is all too much for me. I feel for Matthew and Aaron, having to ride herd over this colorful band of miscreants - can you imagine the stuff they have to talk about over the office water cooler.

Maybe Im too laid back. This is just a casual internet forum, not the International Society of Pedant Debaters and Horse Floggers. Me, I'm glad Poppie is back... Im sorry about his dad (my condolences and prayers, Poppie)... and I'm very glad to hear that Badger - my favorite Good Old USofA airbrush - never was whatever it was that everyone thought they were, which it now turns out they weren't, thanks to the good folks at Badger telling us how it really is, or wasn't... dang! There go my eyes again! 

LOL!!
This all got a little out of hand....talk about knee-jerk reactions all round.
Glad to hear that Badger is alive and well!
I cut my teeth on that marvel of technology - the single action internal mix Badger.  I used that thing for more than 20 years....excellent value - a great airbrush.
Then I moved up to a Paasche VLS and then an Iwata HP-BH.....sweet.
The only reason that I don't still use the Badger as a hack is that the connectors for the Paasche and the Iwata are common, and the Badger is different.
I can't say that either are better than a new Badger, because I haven't used or seen the new range of Badger Airbrushes.....but if they're as good or better than the old one I used to use, it'll be good value for money.
Oh well....fun and games.

I'm glad to see there has been some mending of fences. 

But the big point here, and unfortunately this is the problem with online forums and the internet in genteral is that anyone can post whatever they want, regardless of whether or not it is true.  Always verify any "rumors" and only post information when you know it to be fact.  Mis-information is one of the biggest problems on the internet.

Relying on a clerk making $6.50 an hour and who probably cares little for the business other than showing up to work everyday so they can collect a paycheck is a bit irresponsible.  Rumors started on the internet spread like a disease and can cause disastrous consequences for any business.

Ken, I'm glad you popped on here and cleared up the mis-information and I don't feel you did anything wrong other than to put an end to some very irresponsible posting.

Poppie we're all humans and as such we will occasionally step on someones toes unintentionally. It's all part of life. Don't let this event have a negative effect on you or your continued partcipation on this forum. If I took everything so personally each time I opened my mouth just to change feet, I would have quit life long ago. Instead I learn from my mistakes, mend the fences where possible and press forward. These little potholes in life are His way of of instilling in us some of the lessons of life. We don't go looking for it...though I have my doubts about .

Let's get back to talking about models again!

cardshark_14 wrote:

In hindsight, I'm willing to bet a new AB that if I had of put a question mark '?' after 'BAdger Kaput' like this 'Badger Kaput??" nobodys nose would have gotten out of joint.    So If I've caused this much controversy by simply asking a question about the validity of a rumor I had been fed, then I guess I'll just pack my kit and go wheel off into the sunset.  It's really bothered me that I've caused such a ruckus.  Bye   Poppie, I hope that doesn't mean you won't be on the forums. Everyone has mended their fences, shook hands, and made up. Now, how's about we all get back to what really matters, the plastic, the paint, and the camraderie! Have at ya!

Don't you go anywhere Poppie! That's an order!

You didn't cause any ruckus, it was just a simple miscommunication as is often done on forums.  

In hindsight, I'm willing to bet a new AB that if I had of put a question mark '?' after 'BAdger Kaput' like this 'Badger Kaput??" nobodys nose would have gotten out of joint.

So If I've caused this much controversy by simply asking a question about the validity of a rumor I had been fed, then I guess I'll just pack my kit and go wheel off into the sunset.  It's really bothered me that I've caused such a ruckus.  Bye

Poppie, I hope that doesn't mean you won't be on the forums. Everyone has mended their fences, shook hands, and made up. Now, how's about we all get back to what really matters, the plastic, the paint, and the camraderie! Have at ya!

OK Guys, lets finish this up. I've been in touch with Ken Badger and explained to him that I was not, repeat NOT slandering his company!!!

As I said in my original post:Quote = "I went into a fairly large artist supply store, with branches throughout Canada, with the intent of buying the Badger 360 they had on sale. The sales clerk told me that the reason that the price was so low( 40% off) was because Badger was going out of business and that Curry's couldn't guarantee any waranty would be honoured or that spare parts would be available.  I asked her if there was a chance that maybe it was just a matter of another company taking over Badger and it might be re-released.  She said "No", and that was the information she has been given at a recent sales meeting she had attended." You guys know anything about this? If its so, then I'm going to drop the Badger 360 for now and take a look at the Iwata Eclipse." - end quote.

Now, I've talked to Ken, he's apologized to me, I've apologized to him, We're both strong, practicing Christians who try to 'walk the walk'.  In hindsight, I'm willing to bet a new AB that if I had of put a question mark '?' after 'BAdger Kaput' like this 'Badger Kaput??" nobodys nose would have gotten out of joint.  That was after all, my intent - to raise a question and get an answer.   I sure as heck wouldn't have done anything to raise anyone's hackles, flame anyone, slander anyone, cause anyone any grief or upset.  If I have, I'm terribly, terribly sorry.  So If I've caused this much controversy by simply asking a question about the validity of a rumor I had been fed, then I guess I'll just pack my kit and go wheel off into the sunset.  It's really bothered me that I've caused such a ruckus.  Bye

Bill, I agree with you, let's not get this thread locked, as it does serve the important purpose of letting others know about Badger's current state of affairs.  

Mike, I purposely thought about my original response for more than two hours, wrote it in a different program, proofread it, spell checked it, then wrote a final draft, specifically to avoid any accusations of my having an attitude over the whole deal.  I tried to be rational, and only state that which I firmly believed to be true.  I stand by what I said earlier. I was deeply perturbed by Ken calling Poppie's post irresponsible, as to me it sounded rather bewildered, rather than malicious. However, just as I had a right to my say, you all have a right to yours as well.  

Now that everyone has had their say, let's just agree to disagree on things, and move on.  Ken, your rebuttal is the first post I've noticed from you, so let me just end by saying  to the forums.  I'll see y'all around.  Take care!

Ken, kudos to you for having a "garage sale"! It allows some of the younger guys with a limited budget to upgrade there equipment.

When will we see the new line of airbrushes? I am looking forward to a test drive. I have had both Badgers and Iwatas. I am courious to see where this new line fits in. My current detail AB is an Iwata HP-C with a .3 and a .2 nozzle. The new line sounds as if it would do as well or better.   Greg.

All is said and done - let's drop it. 

the correct information has been posted, and we've all had our say.  I have emailed Poppie direct - and am hopeful and confident that we are on the path of reconciling any differences we need to related to this affair.  I appreciate your support and confidence, and respect all of ours' right to express our opinions in such matters of forum protocol.

 card shark I have no axe to grind with you or Poppie and look forward to being an active and positive participant in the forums with both of you, whether we agree or disagree on opinion related matters.  Hopefully we acknowledge verifiable fact as fact and is all that should be presented in factual manner.

Cardshark,

All the points Ken made are absolutely true so why do you have to come off with your attitude?

For what it's worth Ken, you have my respect. And business.

Tony

Ummm, actually what he said was "Badger Kaput!" and proceeded to repeat a RUMOR he heard from a store clerk. He didn't do it politely at all.

Ken is the owner of a company that has been libelled (go look it up) and is responding as he should. He is asking Poppie to reveal his source so he can stomp out the rumor properly.

Think how you would feel if you found some people talking about you on a public forum and repeating (untrue) rumors about you. They know how they can contact you, but don't bother. How would you feel? Now think about how you would feel if the rumors cost you sales and money. 

One thread has already been deleted because of this subject. Let's not have this one locked, too. 

Really???

Wow, I didn't know that coming on the forums and asking (politely) about the continuation of a company was liable to get me taken to task...

Card Shark with all due respect had it been posed as a question rather than a fact I would concur with your thoughts regarding my response - however the heading "Badger is kaput" is not an indication of such an inquiry as much as it is an indication of stating Badger is Kaput, or in this case as the writer continues in the now unavailable post, it is stated as if fact from a supposedly reliable retail source. 

Honestly Ken, I can understand that you are upset about this rumor, but taking it out on Poppie? Really?

It was not my intent to take it out on Poppie, however as the poster of this erroneous information I did indicate who posted it - I also welcomed and encouraged his contacting me regarding his information source (which he has done and I look forward to a dialogue with him).  Yes my post was poignant and direct - that position was related to the inaccuracy of the information not the poster of it.  I respect peoples rights to post info and make inquiries in public forums such as this - however, I also feel there should be some obligation to being responsible with the information we share.  That was my intended amplified point, not that Poppie was a bad guy - I hardly think he is and furthermore do not know him to have such an opinion, and see myself as the judge of noone.  I did however disagree with his post, and as what was related and potentially harmful to my company felt obligated to, in no uncertain terms, make this forum aware of its inaccuracy and provide the correct and factual information on the matter

All he did was come on the forum and ask about whether or not Badger was still in business. While your business' current status may seem obvious to you, to those new to the hobby, or airbrushing in general, it may not be.  I would think that rather than calling him "irresponsible" you would thank him for bringing the question to your attention, even if it was indirectly.

Again, card Shark, with all due respect "Badger is Kaput" is not an indication of inquiry regarding the status of Badger's business existence.  Due to the contrary, I do not recall the question even being raised in his post, and the dozen or so emails I received during my recent trip abroad were all an indication that others in the forum did not take it as an inquiry either. 

I too am a Badger customer, but I am appalled at the lack of tact and grace you exhibit to those who are not "friends", and those who who would not think to "contact Badger for verification".  In my mind, Poppie's post has done far less "unreversible" damage, then your rude rebuttal.  

I apologize for my lack of tact - but rumors that my company is out of business are serious matters to me, and I will not answer those matters in any gray terms.  I am proud of Badger Air-Brush Co. and what we do and praise and thank God for those blessings each day.  I have an obligation to my family, which to me includes 65 + employees and protecting the good Badger name they have built up over the last 44 years.  It is not something I take lightly, and as I am essentially Badger - I take it personally.  I appreciate that God has entrusted me with a blessing to care for, bless others with, and glorify Him through - this I will do with zeal and with His direction.  I am sorry if that offends people, it is not my intention to be insensitive and I apologize if have hurt or offended you or Poppie in my doing so.  I am sorry.

I find it rather difficult to believe that not only would you expect someone unfamiliar with your company to think to email you, but also go on to publicly lambast him for inquiring on a public forum.  Poppie was well within rights and propriety to use a modeling forum in reference to your company, and I believe that you owe him an apology as public as your earlier censure.

I simply expect and desire to be responsible when providing information related to my company - this request and expectation is far from unreasonable of me.  Should someone ever post something potentially hurtful of harmful related to you personally in a public forum - you will no doubt be desiring of the same.  My apology for the manner in which I have addressed this matter, if offensive or hurtful to Poppie, is above.

In regards to your, as a Badger customer, being appalled with my handling of this matter - you should consider that it is with the same energy, zeal, and integrity I stand behind the products Badger Air-Brush Co. manufactures for your purchase and usage.  It is this consistent company philosiphy that makes Badger the most customer supportive and reliable airbrush manufacturer, and we greatly appreciate your confidence in our passionate efforts to always be that.

Take air,

ken

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kenbadger wrote:

Poppies post, all be it information apparently provided to him by an obviously mis-informed and irresponsible source, is abolutely 100% FALSE.  I do not know who Poppie is or where he received his information from (Poppie, if you read this and would like to let me know the source of your info so I may contact them - my email address is below), but his posting of it without even contacting Badger for verification was equally irresponsible on his part...

Really???

Wow, I didn't know that coming on the forums and asking (politely) about the continuation of a company was liable to get me taken to task...

Honestly Ken, I can understand that you are upset about this rumor, but taking it out on Poppie? Really?

All he did was come on the forum and ask about whether or not Badger was still in business. While your business' current status may seem obvious to you, to those new to the hobby, or airbrushing in general, it may not be.  I would think that rather than calling him "irresponsible" you would thank him for bringing the question to your attention, even if it was indirectly.  

I too am a Badger customer, but I am appalled at the lack of tact and grace you exhibit to those who are not "friends", and those who who would not think to "contact Badger for verification".  In my mind, Poppie's post has done far less "unreversible" damage, then your rude rebuttal.  

I find it rather difficult to believe that not only would you expect someone unfamiliar with your company to think to email you, but also go on to publicly lambast him for inquiring on a public forum.  Poppie was well within rights and propriety to use a modeling forum in reference to your company, and I believe that you owe him an apology as public as your earlier censure.

namrednef wrote:

.....I use your product.

And thanks for clearing things up.

Ken....nice post. Thank you.

In Poppie's defense until he sees this.....he is rather new to the idea of airbrushing and is delving deeply into the learning curve.

Someone with some agenda may have given him an earful of bad info. I haven't read the "Life after Aztek" thread.....meant nothing to me.....I use your product.