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Paint lifting w/ tape....need advice

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  • Member since
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  • From: Peoples Socialist Democratic Republic of Illinois
Posted by Triarius on Saturday, March 29, 2008 2:00 PM

The "light bulb in a vented box" works better. I would add a small fan blowing into an open side of the box.

What I use is a forced air food dehydrator. It has a heating element with a thermostat and a small fan.

I live in northern ILLness—the relative humidity never goes below 50% from April to October, so I know what you mean. I've also lived in coastal Florida and muggid South Carolina, where your models grow mold before the paint cures. Laugh [(-D]

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

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Posted by hk1997 on Saturday, March 29, 2008 1:11 PM
 Triarius wrote:

To insure full cure, wait at least a full 24 hours at room temperature and not more than 50% relative humidity. Force curing with mild heat and circulating air can reduce this time to an hour or two, and is especially useful in cooler, damper conditions.

I'm in Houston. It's almost never under 50% humidity here.  And I plan on cutting back on the A/C this summer.  Would you suggest running a hot blow dryer to force cure?  

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  • From: Southeast Louisiana
Posted by Wulf on Saturday, March 22, 2008 5:59 PM

Glad it worked out for you.

Andy 

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Posted by Grifter123 on Friday, March 21, 2008 2:38 PM

Update:

So I considered using paper or post-its and thought it would be difficult to get the curves right at the wing roots.  I bought some of the low-tack blue painters tape, de-tacked it as suggested, and it worked wonderfully.  So it turns out the main problem here was the tape, not really the paint, although priming may have eliminated the trouble to start with.  Now I have some straight lines to work with and should be able to use post-its to mask for the repairs on the blue sections.  Thanks to all of your for the help.

 

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Posted by Grifter123 on Wednesday, March 19, 2008 1:18 PM

Thanks for the tips.

Wulf, I'll try the paper or post-its.  I've actually used post-its before with good results on smaller areas.

I'd really like to salvage what I've done without stripping it down, but next time I'll be sure to use a primer. 

 

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Posted by Triarius on Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:09 AM

That's good advice from Andy and Marc, and I'd like to add some recommendations:

Model Master acrylics seem to have more trouble with adhesion than most other respectable brands. But ALL acrylics benefit to some degree from priming. Personally, I use a Tamiya light gray acrylic as primer, because Tamiya acrylics adhere very well when properly applied.

Properly applied defined: To a sterile surface. No, I don't mean use an autoclave! Laugh [(-D] But the model surface must be free of all contaminants. Regardless of what you use to wash the model, the final rinse should be with distilled or deionized water—this can be just a wipe with a staturated, lint free cloth or paper towel. An alcohol rinse/wipe also works, although I would recommend using ethyl/denatured alcohol rather than isopropyl, as they evaporate faster and have a greater affinity for water. I also prefer washing in a Simple Green solution or using a surfactant cleaner. The latter, allowed to evaporate fully, sometimes helps adhesion. However, surfactant cleaners sometimes vary in composition over time. Windex (with ammonia) is a fairly reliable brand and evaporates completely.

Finally, before applying your masking, make sure that the underlying paint is fully cured. This is critical. Acrylics dry rapidly, but cure slowly, especially with regard to surface bond. This is just as true for Future (PPFTWFutureS) as for any other acylic coating you are likely to use on a scale model. To insure full cure, wait at least a full 24 hours at room temperature and not more than 50% relative humidity. Force curing with mild heat and circulating air can reduce this time to an hour or two, and is especially useful in cooler, damper conditions.

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  • From: Houston, TX
Posted by MattSix on Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:04 AM

Sign - Ditto [#ditto]

1) Clean the surface to be painted first. 

2) Prime

3) Apply a base coat, allowing it to fully cure. Acrylics may appear to dry quickly, but they are not fully cured for about 24 hrs.

4) Reduce the tack of whatever type of tape you prefer to use. Slowly remove it by peeling it back over itself.

Following these steps should solve the problem.

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:43 AM

I almost always take the tape... blue painters or Tamiya... and stick it to theback of my hand to reduce the tack.  Then peel the tape at 90 degreess to itself when removing.

 

Marc  

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Posted by Wulf on Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:26 PM

You HAVE GOT TO PRIME! That's the bottom line. Acrylics don't bite into the plastic like enamels or lacquers. The paint will lift everytime. Model Master makes a white or gray acrylic primer. Prime it and wait for 24+ hours before masking. Second, even though you wash the model, wash it really well with liquid soap. In addition, you can rub it down with some alcohol for the areas you handle a lot during construction.

The 3M blue painters masking works well if it's the DELICATE SURFACE type. It will specify on the label. I use it all the time and have no trouble.

It seems you are past the point of priming. If you have to mask, I would recommend the damp paper technique or post-it notes. For the damp paper mask, take some plain white paper, cut it to shape and dip it into some tempid water. Don't let it get soggy, just damp. Let the excess drip off and place on the model. Make sure there is no water droplets along the edges of the paper. If needed, after you place the paper on the model, let it sit and dry a minute. The water tension will hold the paper in place well enough for masking purposes. However, spray at a LOW psi and at a 90 degree angle to the surface. Otherwise you may run the risk of blowing the paper off. Right after spraying, remove the paper...pretty simple and effective. Post -it notes are excellent too. Their low tac section will not lift paint but will hold well enough to mask. Once again, low psi and 90 degrees to the surface. Hope this helps....

Andy 

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Paint lifting w/ tape....need advice
Posted by Grifter123 on Tuesday, March 18, 2008 3:03 PM

I"m cross-posting this from my post at aeroscale just in case anyone here has some ideas. Thanks for reading!

 

I'm currently working on the old Hasa. 1/32 bf109e. I've cleaned the entire model before beginning to paint, then painted the bottom, tail surfaces, and fuselage sides in the standard blue ( I can't remember the RLM #).
Anyway, Some of the paint lifted with my masking tape the first time I tried to paint camo. I figured since i was using blue painter's tape ( I know, I know....I shouldn't be using this on my models, but I wanted to paint and couldn't get real modeling tape) that the tack was just too much, or the paint needed to be sealed. Now, I'm not accustomed to having trouble with paint lifting, and I've never made it a practice to prime my models before painting.
So I resprayed the affected areas, let that dry, then sealed the whole thing with Future. I let that dry for 24 hours, and today I masked ( this time with Testors masking tape) and sprayed some RLM 02 camo, As soon as the paint was dry enough to handle I started carefully removing the tape. I should also point out that I do know the proper technique to remove masking tape ( pulling it sharply and slowly back over itself ), and naturally lifted large amounts of the blue with the tape.
What is the deal here!? I'm losing patience quickly and I need some advice to stop this paint coming off with my tape.


Edit: I should also note that I'm airbrushing Model Master acrylics

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