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  • Member since
    September 2007
  • From: Crystal Lake, IL
Pace Peace Keeper
Posted by firesmacker on Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:58 PM

Ok,

So I just ordered one a few hours ago and spoke with Bob Pace. Great guy and very straight forward. Very knowledgable about his product and not just a "salesman". He took the time to explain to me all about the airflow and where to place the unit and all of the features. He also was a little "sheepish" albeit, honest when he expalined to me that the price was incorrect on the website. shown as 395.00 but is actually $475.00. Keep in mind that the $475.00 includes S&H and any taxes. (well to Illinois anyway). For me it came down to that or the Artograph 1530 and the Pace won out because of the all metal construction, the built in lights, and more importantly, the fact that I can replace the filter from any hardware store. I realize that a lot of folks on here have their personal preferences but, being able to actually talk to the President of the company and not just a "phone kid" is what sold me.

Hope this helps someone.

Regards,

Jeff 

  • Member since
    May 2003
  • From: Right side of the Front row.
Posted by kirk4010 on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:47 PM

I bought a Pace (the 24") model 3 years ago and have'nt regretted it.  I'm sure you'll be as happy as I am.

 

The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving.-Ulysses S. Grant
  • Member since
    September 2007
  • From: Crystal Lake, IL
Posted by firesmacker on Monday, March 31, 2008 9:05 PM

Well,

It arrived today. I have a few questions from anyone who may be able to answer them. After talking to Bob Pace, he told me that venting to the outside wouldn't really be neccesary as long as I replace the filter as needed. I'll buy that. However, I am still a little concerned about fumes. I have an industrial resperator (thank you fellow tax payers for thatWhistling [:-^] and I make the kids leave the Man-Cave when I am spraying. The caveat is that COMNAVHOUSEPAC has a 125 gallon salt water tank (anyone who keeps or knows anyone who keeps salt water tanks knows how expensive a screw up can be...) and I have a 48 gallon tank of my own down here.

I blew some smoke into it and didn't see anything coming from the vent tube but I also realize that paint fumes often cannot be seen. I guess what I am asking is, do you guys think I should go ahead and vent it to the outside? I know it can't hurt but I also have to deal with all the midwest humidity what with the window cracked. I'm leaning towards venting it anyhow but would like some feedback from more experienced folks.

Regards,

Jeff 

  • Member since
    May 2003
  • From: Right side of the Front row.
Posted by kirk4010 on Monday, March 31, 2008 9:26 PM

I don't think a simple furnance filter is going to remove everything to safely vent inside.  I bought this unit to blow it all outside as I have children in the house.  If you use enamels or any lacquer paints I definitly would not vent inside.  Maybe if you only use acrylics you could vent inside, but even acrylics have some things in them that I would'nt want to be directly exposed to on a regular basis.

P.S.  I have a 12 Gallon Salt Tank, but the tank is upstairs and my Pace is downstairs in my shop. 

 

The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving.-Ulysses S. Grant
  • Member since
    September 2007
  • From: Crystal Lake, IL
Posted by firesmacker on Tuesday, April 1, 2008 3:14 PM

Thanks Kirk,

 I thought as much. Off to Loew's I go... 

  • Member since
    August 2006
  • From: Neenah, WI
Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Tuesday, April 1, 2008 4:01 PM

A simple furnace filter will do nothing for the lethal fumes associated with spraying enamel and lacquer based paints. You'd have to use gas mask filters for that and if you did it would cut your airflow so much it wouldn't work anyway.

Vent it to the outside! When in doubt...vent it out! Even if it mean renting a hole saw from the local rental shop, buying a dryer vent and some ducting for the install.

 

 

These can be installed through any outside wall...worth the time and investment. You shelled out the bucks for the booth...it's not that much more to finish it completely. 

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/

 

 

"Its not the workbench that makes the model, it is the modeler at the workbench."

  • Member since
    September 2007
  • From: Crystal Lake, IL
Posted by firesmacker on Tuesday, April 1, 2008 5:25 PM

Gerald,

Thanks for the response. But, when I said that I was off to Loews, I meant that I was going to buy the ducting. I actually have a window conveniently placed about 10 feet from the booth so I'm just going to run it out of there.

Regards,

Jeff 

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Reno, NV
Posted by espins1 on Tuesday, April 1, 2008 5:39 PM
I have a Pace Peacekeeper (which I absolutely love!!!) that I just simply duct out the window when I'm airbrushing.  Works like a champ!  Smile [:)]

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

  • Member since
    February 2008
Posted by new1 on Monday, April 7, 2008 4:09 PM

i use motors to vent out the fumes.  if you decide to do the same be absolutely sure that they are "Brushless" motors.  otherwise you will get a big bang out of the whole situation.  quite litterally.  brush dc motors will spark on occasion which could ignite the fumes.

All the filter is inteded to do is to prevent the paint itself from going into the duct work.  and if you have motors in there it will ruin them.

i have done a bunch of research on this kind of thing.  when i first decided to airbrush, which wasn't that long ago, i wanted an booth however they are a little expensive,  so i made a cheap one out of a cardboard box, some wire, and a few T-pins.  i use three brushless motors that are in a window to vent out the fumes.  My dad had already built the motor mount and put the motors in when he was working on an entertainment center for our neighbors.  that was so he could vent the lacquer and the lacquer thinner out so the rest of the family would asphyxiate

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