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Airbrush POINTERS?- SPITTING..
Posted by MarkS1 on Tuesday, May 6, 2008 10:32 AM

Hey Guys,

Having trouble with my Paasche VL "spitting" and overspraying outside of the desired line.  I've had it 18 years but just got back into it.  I've tried making the paint, mostly enamels, thicker or thinner and adjusting pressure up and down.  All needles and caps are new and I have a line filter just before the AB hose.  I seem to recall that it liked higher pressure so I'm now up to about 23psi and tend to thin about 80-70% paint and 20-30% thinner.  I was thinning more but didn't like the results and it didn't seem to help the spitting.   Any ideas?

Regards, Mark S. Jupiter, FL
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Posted by Grifter123 on Tuesday, May 6, 2008 1:31 PM
I use a Badger, but for me, I usually see spitting when the needle/tip are getting partially clogged.  New needle/ cap would seem to rule that out, though.  I would try raising the air pressure some more.  Seems to me that enamels at 30% thinner would be plenty thin.
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Posted by tyamada on Tuesday, May 6, 2008 2:13 PM
Is it spitting or pulsing?  If its pulsing it could be the aircap is not tight, use the wrench to tighten it up a little.  I could also be the internal needel packing needs replacing.  If its that old you might want to do a through cleaning and replace the internal packing.
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Posted by MarkS1 on Tuesday, May 6, 2008 4:49 PM
It's spitting.  Will check out the needle packing thread. I just ordered a new air valve assembly, probably should have order all new internals since they are cheap.  Thanks.
Regards, Mark S. Jupiter, FL
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Posted by MarkS1 on Tuesday, May 6, 2008 4:53 PM

Yeah, but I used to clean it after every session but have gotten tired of that.  Now I run lots of thinner through it after each color and break it down to clean it every 3rd or 4th session.  Maybe need to go back to old plan.  Will try more pressure. 

30% seems like more than enough to me, too. In fact, it wasn't covering and I wound up putting too much paint/fluid on some engine cowlings and it still didn't cover perfectly.

Thanks.

Regards, Mark S. Jupiter, FL
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Posted by fantacmet on Sunday, May 11, 2008 2:08 AM
I've run into this more then once.  The problem is a sealing problem of the nozzle to the body.  It's not sealing right, and allowing air around it.  Check the o-rings if applicable, and all seals.  On my two metal body airbrushes, one uses and o-ring around the nozzle and the nozzle screws into place.  The other one has a little plastic grommet at the base of each nozzle and the nozzle slips into place and the cap holds it on.  I much prefer the method of the second airbrush because the other one, when screwing the nozzle back in from cleaning, sheared off inside the body of the airbrush and now it spits.  I can remove the part inside the body easily enough, but the nozzle is 30 bucks plus shipping at the cheapest that I have found.  The airbrush does spray heavanly though, and has the finest lines I've ever seen.  Anyway check your seals around the nozzle and make sure it seals well, replace any seals you can, and I bet you solve your problem.

    

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Posted by MarkS1 on Monday, May 12, 2008 8:15 AM

Thanks.  The problem was the airvalve assembly.  I had ordered a new one because it was also sticking slightly open sometimes and for $6 I figured I might as well replace it.  Well, not only does it not stick any more but I noticed it doesn't travel down as much as the old and it stopped spitting.  Seems much more precise, now. 

Thanks all for the help! 

Regards, Mark S. Jupiter, FL
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Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 4:52 PM
 MarkS1 wrote:

Yeah, but I used to clean it after every session but have gotten tired of that.  Now I run lots of thinner through it after each color and break it down to clean it every 3rd or 4th session.  Maybe

That is how an airbrush should be cleaned!

An airbrush does NOT need to be disassembled after each painting session as it is detrimental to the airbrush and causes more problems than leaving it assembled and just cleaning it good and back flushing it.  

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by MarkS1 on Thursday, June 5, 2008 8:40 AM
 MikeV wrote:
 MarkS1 wrote:

Yeah, but I used to clean it after every session but have gotten tired of that.  Now I run lots of thinner through it after each color and break it down to clean it every 3rd or 4th session.  Maybe

That is how an airbrush should be cleaned!

An airbrush does NOT need to be disassembled after each painting session as it is detrimental to the airbrush and causes more problems than leaving it assembled and just cleaning it good and back flushing it.  

 

Hey MikeV,

Yep, cleaning it this way works just fine and is a lot less hassle. And the spitting problem was also related to too low pressure.  I was running it about 23-25psi but have found it works much better at 32-35psi.  Lines are tight, no spitting, no overspray and curisously, there doesn't seem to be as much paint left inside the AB to backflush.

All in all am getting back on the beam.  Having recently taken taken it out of the attic after 18 years I've simply forgotten a lot. 

Thanks.

Regards, Mark S. Jupiter, FL
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Posted by AJB93 on Friday, June 6, 2008 9:18 AM
 MikeV wrote:
 MarkS1 wrote:

Yeah, but I used to clean it after every session but have gotten tired of that.  Now I run lots of thinner through it after each color and break it down to clean it every 3rd or 4th session.  Maybe

That is how an airbrush should be cleaned!

An airbrush does NOT need to be disassembled after each painting session as it is detrimental to the airbrush and causes more problems than leaving it assembled and just cleaning it good and back flushing it.  

Not to hijack the thread, but what should I clean acrylics with? Could I just run windex through it or does it need to be whatever I use for thinner? TIA. 

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Posted by MikeV on Friday, June 6, 2008 9:24 AM
 AJB93 wrote:
 MikeV wrote:
 MarkS1 wrote:

Yeah, but I used to clean it after every session but have gotten tired of that.  Now I run lots of thinner through it after each color and break it down to clean it every 3rd or 4th session.  Maybe

That is how an airbrush should be cleaned!

An airbrush does NOT need to be disassembled after each painting session as it is detrimental to the airbrush and causes more problems than leaving it assembled and just cleaning it good and back flushing it.  

Not to hijack the thread, but what should I clean acrylics with? Could I just run windex through it or does it need to be whatever I use for thinner? TIA. 

Windex will work just fine. Clean it thoroughly and then spray some filtered or distilled water through it to clean it out without leaving any mineral deposits. 

Do NOT use your thinner for cleaning, it is far too expensive.

 

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by MarkS1 on Friday, June 6, 2008 8:19 PM
 MikeV wrote:
 AJB93 wrote:
 MikeV wrote:
 MarkS1 wrote:

Yeah, but I used to clean it after every session but have gotten tired of that.  Now I run lots of thinner through it after each color and break it down to clean it every 3rd or 4th session.  Maybe

That is how an airbrush should be cleaned!

An airbrush does NOT need to be disassembled after each painting session as it is detrimental to the airbrush and causes more problems than leaving it assembled and just cleaning it good and back flushing it.  

Not to hijack the thread, but what should I clean acrylics with? Could I just run windex through it or does it need to be whatever I use for thinner? TIA. 

Windex will work just fine. Clean it thoroughly and then spray some filtered or distilled water through it to clean it out without leaving any mineral deposits. 

Do NOT use your thinner for cleaning, it is far too expensive.

 

 

Amen to that.  Can I use Windex to clean up after enamels, which I use mostly? If not, what esle works besides Testors AB thinner at $9 a can? I thought of regular 'ol mineral spirits but seems to thick and greasy for the AB.   

Thanks. 

Regards, Mark S. Jupiter, FL
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Posted by MikeV on Friday, June 6, 2008 8:51 PM

Mark, if you are using enamels to paint with then Windex and other cleaners are a waste of time.

Buy a cheap pint or quart of lacquer thinner and use that to clean your airbrush with.

Lacquer is cheap and it is an excellent cleaner for enamels, lacquers and other paints.

 

 

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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  • From: Jupiter, FL
Posted by MarkS1 on Saturday, June 7, 2008 5:57 PM
 MikeV wrote:

Mark, if you are using enamels to paint with then Windex and other cleaners are a waste of time.

Buy a cheap pint or quart of lacquer thinner and use that to clean your airbrush with.

Lacquer is cheap and it is an excellent cleaner for enamels, lacquers and other paints.

 

 

Hey MikeV,

Roger, that.  Thanks. 

Regards, Mark S. Jupiter, FL
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