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  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Wagga Wagga, NSW, AUSTRALIA
Polly Scale Flat Q
Posted by Bill Clarke on Saturday, May 10, 2008 5:32 AM

I used this prodduct for the first time today, it said to thin it  10 to 15 % with demineralised water, I added just a couple of drops.

I noticed after it dried that there were some tiny white specks on the model, what may have caused this ? and can polly scale be prayed without thinning ?

Thanks.

  • Member since
    January 2003
  • From: Peoples Socialist Democratic Republic of Illinois
Posted by Triarius on Saturday, May 10, 2008 10:25 AM

Always thin (or reduce) a paint for spraying unless it is one of the "pre-thinned" varieties.

Your problem could be caused by undispersed flat pigment (flat finishes are produced by a pigment), surface contamination (a small dust particle can create a local electrostatic charge concentration that will attract the flat pigment or the binder), or contamination of the thinned paint. This latter would be due to an incompletely cleaned air brush or use of tap water as your reducing solvent.

I suspect the cause is the first possibility. Flat pigments tend to clump during storage. Clear flats should be stirred very thoroughly (five minutes by hand, minimum; less with a powered stirring device). Never shake small bottles of any paint to mix it. They are not large enough for that to work efficiently—always stir.

Reducing (thinning) a paint also helps to insure adequate dispersion of pigment. A rule of thumb is to thin to the consistency of 2% milk. For clear coats, erring on the side of more thinner is better than too little.

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

  • Member since
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  • From: Wagga Wagga, NSW, AUSTRALIA
Posted by Bill Clarke on Saturday, May 10, 2008 5:46 PM

Thanks Ross,I stirred it prior to putting it in to the paint cup, it's a brand new bottle, and yes there was a thick layer of the stuff in the bottom, I thought I'd stirred it enough, maybe not !

 

Bill.

jwb
  • Member since
    February 2006
  • From: Parkton, NC
Posted by jwb on Saturday, May 10, 2008 5:57 PM

PS Flat had been giving me fits. I finally decided to just thin it to a ridiculous amount as a last resort before tossing it. I picked up some small plastic containers with snap-on lids, about the size of a paint bottle. I mixed it in one of those containers at about a 10:1 ratio with water- and it works perfect. The white flecks are gone, and it is really controllable. And I just snap the lid on when I'm done- ready to go for next time.

Give some super thinning a shot- it worked well for me!

Jon Bius

AgapeModels.com- Modeling with a Higher purpose

"For I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." ~ Jeremiah 29:11

  • Member since
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  • From: Smithers, BC, Canada
Posted by ruddratt on Saturday, May 10, 2008 8:51 PM
Jon, with that 10:1 ratio, how close did you get to a dead flat finish?

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

jwb
  • Member since
    February 2006
  • From: Parkton, NC
Posted by jwb on Saturday, May 10, 2008 9:26 PM

I was able to get it flat flat. It took a while to build it up. ("A while" being maybe 10 minutes tops.)

What I liked was the control it gave me. The biggest thing for me has been the absense of the "snow". I don't mind taking a little longer to put down a few more coats. It dries instantly for the most part, just from the air flow. And I mist it on really light, making sure to avoid the frosties.

It's probably overkill getting it that runny.... but I just about ruined a couple of birds that were supposed to be OD and darn near ended up looking like they had winter camo. I'm sticking with this for now! Smile [:)]

Jon Bius

AgapeModels.com- Modeling with a Higher purpose

"For I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." ~ Jeremiah 29:11

  • Member since
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  • From: Indiana
Posted by hkshooter on Sunday, May 11, 2008 9:01 AM
I thin my PS flat with 50% Windex. Works great. Occasionally, if the project is big I get a little tip dry. Easy enough to blast it off by going wide open with 20psi into my airbox filter. If you get white chunks on your work it's definately not mixed well enough.
  • Member since
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  • From: Peoples Socialist Democratic Republic of Illinois
Posted by Triarius on Sunday, May 11, 2008 11:17 AM
 jwb wrote:

I was able to get it flat flat. It took a while to build it up. ("A while" being maybe 10 minutes tops.)

What I liked was the control it gave me. The biggest thing for me has been the absense of the "snow". I don't mind taking a little longer to put down a few more coats. It dries instantly for the most part, just from the air flow. And I mist it on really light, making sure to avoid the frosties.

It's probably overkill getting it that runny.... but I just about ruined a couple of birds that were supposed to be OD and darn near ended up looking like they had winter camo. I'm sticking with this for now! Smile [:)]

"If you're in a hurry, you're in the wrong hobby."

Jon's technique, from a technical viewpoint, is the best technique, and there is nothing technically wrong with it. It is simple. There are no potential side effects, and it works. 

(Hmmm…four "technicals" in one sentence…not a good writing technique……)

Technically yours, 

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

jwb
  • Member since
    February 2006
  • From: Parkton, NC
Posted by jwb on Sunday, May 11, 2008 2:24 PM
 Triarius wrote:

"If you're in a hurry, you're in the wrong hobby."

Jon's technique, from a technical viewpoint, is the best technique, and there is nothing technically wrong with it. It is simple. There are no potential side effects, and it works. 

(Hmmm…four "technicals" in one sentence…not a good writing technique……)

Technically yours, 

I agree..... technically. Wink [;)] Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Jon Bius

AgapeModels.com- Modeling with a Higher purpose

"For I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." ~ Jeremiah 29:11

  • Member since
    February 2006
  • From: Smithers, BC, Canada
Posted by ruddratt on Sunday, May 11, 2008 3:03 PM

I would be technically wrong to argue with what I've read here. Wink [;)]

I've been using the 15% distilled water thinning ratio, with mixed results, so I'm going to give this a try. Thanks guys!

Mike

 "We have our own ammunition. It's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures....scares the hell outta people."

 

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