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Intimindated by Airbrush
Posted by cmixson on Friday, May 23, 2008 4:32 PM

 I see the great models airbrushed here and in FSM and all around. I have a double action a/b that I got on ebay. I am just to worried about making a mess to even try it. With mixing the paint to right consistancy, using canned air, living in an apartment, I worry about the mess and smell. Does it make a large mess? I have a patio but worry about overspray getting on the windows or side of the apartment. Heaven help me if the wife finds that I get something messed up inside......

 Should I just go for it. Someone told me that I should try a single action before jumping into the double action that I have had for several years. The only thing that I have sprayed throught it was water just to see how it worked. I sound like a real rookie but I have building for some years now, just brushpainting everything. I sometimes just do not like how it looks though.

 

Thanks for any advice.

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Posted by smokinguns3 on Friday, May 23, 2008 5:18 PM
Prctice,practice, practice If your afraid to make a mess on the patio go down the home deepot and have peace of panelling cut to fit your patio. I usualy mix my paints by the eye but a good consistency is 2% milk. If worryed about smell the make acylic water based paints.
Rob I think i can I think i can
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Posted by Wulf on Friday, May 23, 2008 8:58 PM

I agree with the practice but once you get the hang of it, you'll be spoiled. The mess and operation is minimal. No reason to be intimidated at all. They don't bite........hard Laugh [(-D]

Andy 

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Posted by firesmacker on Friday, May 23, 2008 9:52 PM

What they said. The hardest part about airbrushing with me is seeing all of the outstanding results I see on here. I have to keep reminding myself that those results are from HOURS of practice. Just keep plugging away. Try and make it a "Journey" and not a "Destination". 

Whatever you do, DO NOT try and judge your work against folks on here who have been doing airbrushing for years. That way leads to nothing but madness and frustration. 

You'll have your good days and bad. I've had times where my AB does just seems to do what I want it to with little effort, and others where I swear it looks like I just dumped a gallon of paint on the model.

Regards,

Jeff 

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Posted by Bgrigg on Friday, May 23, 2008 10:07 PM

Go out and buy some acrylics, they wash off with soap and water, and can be completely removed, even when dry, with Windex with Ammonia. Then buy the cheapest kit you can get your hands on and build it without trying to detail it. It's going to be your practice target.

Then practice, practice and practice. Then wash all the paint off with the Windex and practice some more. Spray wide area, and narrow area, play with the airbrush and see what it can do. The acrylics are easier to clean up and dry fast, so you don't have to wait to do multiple coats. They also tend not to annoy SWMBO like the smell of enamels do, though your results may vary.

This will give you the confidence you need to do a "real" model.

And don't forget to practice! 

So long folks!

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Posted by doc-hm3 on Saturday, May 24, 2008 12:07 PM
 Where's my anacronymn guide when I need it?

All gave some and some gave all.

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Posted by Bgrigg on Saturday, May 24, 2008 12:26 PM

Sorry!

SWMBO = She Who Must Be Obeyed. AKA the Chief Financial Officer. AKA The Gate-Keeper. AKA the Wife.

So long folks!

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Posted by smokinguns3 on Saturday, May 24, 2008 12:48 PM
Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]
Rob I think i can I think i can
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Posted by Mobious on Saturday, May 24, 2008 5:43 PM
 My advice is a clean airbrush is a happy airbrush, and as mentioned in earlier post, thin your paint. You might consider a small compressor.

"It's a problem of applied physics" Roy Brown

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Posted by Wrinkledm on Sunday, May 25, 2008 4:28 PM

I know it sounds a bit crazy, sometimes when I've got a little spaying to do, I just get a bunch of newpapers and start drawing lines, filling in the ads etc.  I'll spend a 1/2 hour to an hour just messing around painting on the newsprint.  My confidence level has increased as well as my skills.  I'm certainly not a world class painter, but just a little practice goes a long way. 

D

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Give yourself permission to try and fail before succeeding
Posted by Jodet on Sunday, May 25, 2008 7:07 PM

Smile [:)]Almost nothing can be done well without practice.  Just know you'll have good days and bad days.  When you have bad days think about what you could do differently.

And just keep saying to yourself, 'dumber people than me have figured out how to do this'.

 

 

jwb
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Posted by jwb on Sunday, May 25, 2008 7:55 PM
 Jodet wrote:

And just keep saying to yourself, 'dumber people than me have figured out how to do this'.

Hey! You talkin' about me?

Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] Laugh [(-D]

Seriously- give airbrushing a try! What's the worst that can happen? You have some plastic painted funny!

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Posted by namrednef on Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:07 PM

 

Yeah! There are tiger striped Mig-21's out there!Laugh [(-D]

jwb
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Posted by jwb on Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:48 PM
 namrednef wrote:

 

Yeah! There are tiger striped Mig-21's out there!Laugh [(-D]

ROTFL

Yeah- watch out fer them crazy folks!

Jon Bius

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Posted by cmixson on Sunday, May 25, 2008 11:16 PM

OK, OK...You have talked me into it. I will just have to give it a try on a cheap model.  Hopefully this weekend holiday and all.....

 

Thanks again.........

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Posted by KJ200 on Monday, May 26, 2008 5:37 AM
When I first started airbrushing I practiced on blank sheets of white writing paper, and even now still do for zeroing my AB after a thorough cleaning.

This allows you to get used to the feel of the brush, and how it performs.

Best of luck.

Karl

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Posted by Bgrigg on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:55 AM
While I agree that practicing on paper will help teach you the basics of using an airbrush, I will caution that styrene does not react like paper. What you learn on paper can be very difficult to transfer to plastic!

So long folks!

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Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 4:46 PM

 Bgrigg wrote:
While I agree that practicing on paper will help teach you the basics of using an airbrush, I will caution that styrene does not react like paper. What you learn on paper can be very difficult to transfer to plastic!

That is true Bill!

Paper absorbs the paint so you are far less likely to get spidering and other things that happen on smoother surfaces like plastic and metal. I think it is far better to practice on an old model as that is what you are trying to learn to paint on. Big Smile [:D]

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by smokinguns3 on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 4:58 PM
 MikeV wrote:

 Bgrigg wrote:
While I agree that practicing on paper will help teach you the basics of using an airbrush, I will caution that styrene does not react like paper. What you learn on paper can be very difficult to transfer to plastic!

That is true Bill!

Paper absorbs the paint so you are far less likely to get spidering and other things that happen on smoother surfaces like plastic and metal. I think it is far better to practice on an old model as that is what you are trying to learn to paint on. Big Smile [:D]

Or practice on an old milk bottle.

Rob I think i can I think i can
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Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 5:59 PM
 smokinguns3 wrote:
 MikeV wrote:

 Bgrigg wrote:
While I agree that practicing on paper will help teach you the basics of using an airbrush, I will caution that styrene does not react like paper. What you learn on paper can be very difficult to transfer to plastic!

That is true Bill!

Paper absorbs the paint so you are far less likely to get spidering and other things that happen on smoother surfaces like plastic and metal. I think it is far better to practice on an old model as that is what you are trying to learn to paint on. Big Smile [:D]

Or practice on an old milk bottle.

Yes you can do that as well although I have no milk bottles in my display case. Laugh [(-D]

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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Posted by cmixson on Monday, June 9, 2008 12:02 PM

Had not thought about using the milk jugs that I usually recycle. Next one emptied will be clean up and shot up. I ordered a Paasche single action airbrush from BearAir. Will have to try that when I get it. By the way on compressors. I saw one at Walmart yesterday that said it could be used for airbrushing. I believe it was a Causfield, something like that. Would that be on that could be used for this type of airbrushing?

 

Thanks..

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Posted by Bgrigg on Monday, June 9, 2008 12:47 PM
Be aware that some milk jugs react badly with airbrushed paint. It may be showing you a problem that doesn't really exist. I recommend using a good primer coat on the jug to give you a good surface to work on, but strongly suggest doing the cheap model route as then you are working on a "real" model. The Revell 1/48 line of Aircraft or their 1/25 Autos would be a good source.

So long folks!

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Posted by cmixson on Monday, June 9, 2008 1:39 PM

Sounds like a plan on the cheap models. I just happen to have a 1/72 A4 and a MIG25 that were built up but was not happy with. The A4 already has a couple of layers of paint (acrylic) and the MIG has an experiment with BMF. I could do test runs on them. I currently have a can of air that I could use for my air source and do have plenty of paints.

 

What would be best to thin acrylics (modelmaster, pollyscale, tamiya) for the airbrush? I have some mineral spirits, alcohol, future. I have some enamels as well. I have some MR COLOR thinner.

 

 

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Posted by EdGrune on Monday, June 9, 2008 1:52 PM
 cmixson wrote:

 I saw one at Walmart yesterday that said it could be used for airbrushing. I believe it was a Causfield, something like that. Would that be on that could be used for this type of airbrushing?

Yes, that compressor would work just fine.   Also any of the compressors from Sears, Lowes,  Home Depot or the like.   The rap against these compressors will be their noise versus a high-end airbrush only compressor.    Also, stay away from the 12v auto tire inflator type of compressor.  

You will need a regulator (also available from the above) to step-down the pressure to what will be useable by the airbrush.   Fittings to hook the whole thinga up are also needed (also from the above sources.

Canned air will do in a pinch, but in the long run they are an expensive proposition.   Better to invest in a compressor than the canned air route

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Monday, June 9, 2008 2:08 PM

Another good item to use for practicing paint on is Ping Pong balls. I like using them for color chips because they give a better three dimensional subject versus a flat one. You can source really cheap practice balls on the web. I got a box of 100 for dirt cheap.

And! I used a couple inside a fuselage for support and alignment! 

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

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Posted by Killjoy on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:07 AM

I don't use milk jugs due to the texture they have making my paint look weird.  I do keep V8 jugs, fruit juice, etc, anything that comes in smooth plastic with some compound curves.  Primer it, and shoot away!  This will let you see how a color looks over the undercoat color, and even test a few mixes side by side, as well as making sure paint is not spidering or orange peeling BEFORE you shoot it on your model!

Good luck, and spray away!

Chris

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Posted by Dirkpitt289 on Friday, June 13, 2008 10:41 AM

Cmixson

I can relate to your story because I was in the same boat. I bought my airbruse a little over three months ago. I kept using evey excuse in the book to not do it. Especially time. Just last night I fianally broke down, hooked everything up and gave it a shot. I picked the area of my basement near the bilco doors (for ventalation) and setup on a card board box.

I tested out my spray pattern on the flat base of the model i'm building and then set out on the real thing. Except for what I call spitting from the brush it turned out very well. Of course it was flat paint so I feel it's more forgiving. The paint process lasted maybe 20 minutes.  maybe an hour and a half from opening the box on the airbrush to the time I closed the box on the airbrush. There was no smell and no over spry to speak of. That could be because of the amount of pait I have going through the brush. I have a habit of over doing everything so in this instance I (thanks to the double action of the brush) kept the paint flow to a minimum.

I was also afraid of the cleanup. Bgrigg has a great regiment for cleaning the brush.

I feel the project I chose to start with my brush is way over my head but i guess after this everything else will be easy. Its an intricate pattern I'm paitning on the hull of a ship. Its going to be a Lot of time taping, minutes spraying, lots of cleanup. lol.  

But after last night I can't wait to get back to it.

 

 

 

Dirk

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Twin Me 262's [1/72] Nightfighter and Big Cannon

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Posted by cmixson on Friday, June 13, 2008 1:53 PM

dirkpit,

 

Well, I guess I will get started when my airbrush arrives. BearAir backordered it so it will be later this month before it get it. I will have to use the canned air I already have for the first test though. Since I just bought a new vehicle I suppose my model building will be a little subdued for a short while. Thanks for the info on how it went for you. It keeps my hopes up. I have some 1/48 aircraft that I eventually want to try the airbrush on in the future...

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