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  • Member since
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  • From: Sydney Australia
Airbrushing Temp Problem.
Posted by roylo on Sunday, May 25, 2008 3:36 PM

Ive been using my air brush for a good few months now and have learnt alot and can now confidently produce some good finishes.

One problem I have is with gloss colours. Tamiya red gloss acrylic.

If I spray with an outsde temperature of 13 degrees celcius or less, the finish comes out like it should - glossy and smooth. If the temp is higher than 13 the finish progressively becomes more grainy and less glossy to pretty much a flat finish the higher in temperature it is outside (not good)

Someone recommended to me in an earlier post that the ideal temperature to spray at is 20 degrees celcius but when I do the finish is dull and flat.

Ive tried changing all the other variables I can think of like more/ less thinning, air pressure, distance from air brush to the work etc and the temperature being too high (above 13) is what causes the unglossy finishes.

 At the moment we have winter here so I have no problem spaying at 13 degrees, but what am I to do when summer comes around and the temps dont drop below 25 degrees for months?

Ill just add that I use a Pasche single action brush, thin with Tamiya thinner at about 50% and spray at 22 PSI. I havent tried other paints only Tamiya acrylic. Im not 100% sure this is the case with all colours because I havnt used them much but its definitly like this with red...

Thanks for any responses..

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Posted by DrewH on Sunday, May 25, 2008 4:20 PM
My instant thought to this is at the higher temps the paint is drying before it can even out. At the lower temps, it has time to sit before it starts to cure. You may want to try adding some slow dry or other acrylic flow enhancer and see if that helps.
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Posted by Bgrigg on Sunday, May 25, 2008 4:55 PM

I agree with Drew, it's likely the paint is drying before it has a chance to get to the model. Spraying outside has it's challenges, as you've no doubt discovered. Here are my suggestions:

  • Reduce the amount of thinner, try 25-30% thinner to paint. Tamiya thinner is essentially Isopropyl Alcohol, and that flashes dry very rapidly, which causes the undesirable texture and loss of gloss.
  • While Tamiya thinner also includes some acrylic retarder, it probably isn't enough to combat the heat you experience in the summer months. As Drew said, add some acrylic retarder to help slow the drying time down. Mix it with the thinner before adding it to the paint.
  • DON'T spray in the direct sun, try spraying inside a cardboard box. The shade created will help lower the temperature.
  • Lowering the air pressure and getting closer to the surface will help, but if your AB is the external mix siphon fed Paasche, getting below 20psi is going to be problematical.
  • Gloss is certainly a much more difficult surface to achieve those much desired surfaces. I've successfully sprayed the Tamiya Gloss Red without issue, so it IS possible. Mind you I have a booth inside a fairly cool basement, which helps!

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Posted by namrednef on Monday, May 26, 2008 7:46 AM

 

I dealt with ambient temp trouble all winter.....mainly being too cold in my basement! 13 C is about 58 F, I think.....and I seem to have good luck at that temp and higher. One thing I notice in your post is the 22psi. That seems quite a lot to me.

Most recommendations I've read state a pressure in the mid-to-high teens. 16-18 works well for me with acrylics. Of course it depends on your equipment, too.

Though it sure sounds like your paint is drying before landing. 

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Posted by roylo on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:47 AM

What type of store's stock acrylic retarder/slow dry? Im not 100% sure what it is so I dont know where I can get it.

The leading hobbie store here in Sydney doesnt have it.

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Posted by Bgrigg on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:53 AM
Find a decent art store, they should have it in stock.

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Posted by Phil_H on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:08 AM
 roylo wrote:

What type of store's stock acrylic retarder/slow dry? Im not 100% sure what it is so I dont know where I can get it.

The leading hobbie store here in Sydney doesnt have it.

Hi Roylo,

The only acrylic retarder I've seen around Sydney is the "Jo Sonja's" branded one, labelled "Retarder Medium". I've found it at Riot Arts and Crafts stores and in the crafts section at Bunnings (though it appears to be a "dead" stock line there and may be hard to find). It should cost somewhere around $10-12 for a 250ml bottle, which should last you for many years.

PS: Many hobby stores in Sydney have just restocked on the 250ml Tamiya acrylic thinners (I was told they havn't been available for a while) - if you're not using the "economy size" thinners, grab one or two (about $10 each) - 250ml of the same stuff in the 10ml bottles will cost about $75 here.

  • Member since
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  • From: Sydney Australia
Posted by roylo on Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:37 AM

Thanks for that yep I already have a 250ml bottle.

Gee sure is alot of mucking around to get the red gloss to come out how it is supposed to. I mean Ive tried varying everything. Use Tamiya thinner, tried all different thinning ratios from 80% thinner to none at all. Tried all pressure ratios and the only thing that will give me a glossy finish is spraying at 13 Degrees C, not higher.

 

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Posted by Phil_H on Thursday, May 29, 2008 7:05 AM

I've found in the last few days, the less thinner I use, the grainier the result. Try 60% thinner/40% paint, reduce your air pressure and get up close and personal.

Now this goes "against the grain", but you want to slow the initial drying of the piece. Put it in an airtight container (eg. a food storage container) and leave it for about an hour or so. You may find that it helps to level the paint and smooth the graininess.

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