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  • Member since
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  • From: California
Airbrushing Problem
Posted by Hogan on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 2:44 AM

Just when I think I've got it down, I run into a new type of problem.  I use an Aztec airbrush (double-action, plastic type with interchangeable nozzles) and was painting with model master flat acrylics.  My aim was to spray some weathering streaks over the top of my Star Trek Enterprise saucer section.   I mixed about 1:1 of 91% propanol and flat black.  I mixed it in the airbrush jar and noticed small particulates all over, very small.  It just wasn't uniform and homogeneous like it should be.  I had seen this before, I think with Tamiya smoke color.  Not heeding an iota of common sense, I proceeded to airbrush anyway!  Almsot immediately, I was clogging and spurting off and on.  What a mess.  My question is, why was the paint forming these particulates?  Most of the time, I get the consistency of milk and have great spraying.  Maybe I shouldn't be using the alcohol to dilute, but it has worked so well the majority of the time.  It seems like perhaps black does not work so well for some unknown reason.  How do you all mix your acrylics (MM and Tamiya colors) when airbrushing?  Any help is most graciously appreciated.

Bob

  • Member since
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  • From: Baton Rouge, LA
Posted by T_Terrific on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:50 AM

Usually Windex is the thinner of choice for MM acrylics, since it contains both alcohol and ammonia, occasionally adding a bit of alcohol.

I never use straight 91% alcohol for anything but cleaning bristle brushes, as it will swell and ruin the "O"-Rings in a normal airbrush. But even there, fingernail polish remover is better as the glycerin keeps the bristles supple.

As for the reaction you got with the MM flat black, it looks like you mixed the alcohol with a bottle of paint that has been opened then kept for too long and developed mildew in it, which causes the solids to clump and separate as the alcohol kills the mildew that has set up in the solids thusly breaking them down.

To prevent this it is good to add a little 91% alcohol to a bottle you have opened before you store it, but not 50/50 as you did.

OK?

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  • Member since
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  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by MikeV on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 4:32 PM

Bob,

I thin Tamiya acrylics with 70% ethyl alcohol in a 2:1 ratio of paint to ethyl alcohol and it works fine. 

 

 T_Terrific wrote:

Usually Windex is the thinner of choice for MM acrylics, since it contains both alcohol and ammonia, occasionally adding a bit of alcohol.

I wouldn't thin any paint with Windex.

I know some people do but to me Windex is a cleaner and not a thinner.  

I never use straight 91% alcohol for anything but cleaning bristle brushes, as it will swell and ruin the "O"-Rings in a normal airbrush.

The only O-ring in most airbrushes is in the air valve and thinner should never come into contact with that area of the airbrush. What O-rings are you talking about?

I have used 91% Iso alcohol many times to clean an airbrush as it is mild compared to laquer thinner and others which also do not affect the airbrush unless it has parts affected by those cleaners. None of my Badgers are.   

 

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  • From: Left forever
Posted by Bgrigg on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 7:48 PM

Truth be known, Windex with Ammonia contains 3% Ammonia, about 12% water and the rest is <drum roll please> Isopropyl Alcohol!

I wouldn't use Windex as it contains Ammonia and that breaks down the binders in the paint and could lead to adhesion problems. 

So long folks!

  • Member since
    October 2005
  • From: Maryland
Posted by usmc1371 on Wednesday, June 4, 2008 11:16 PM

If you're using MM Acryl paints, thin with MM Acryl thinner.  If you're using Tamiya paints, thin with Tamiya thinner.   Just use what the manufacturer recommends and it will work everytime.

Jesse

  • Member since
    April 2003
  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by MikeV on Thursday, June 5, 2008 4:24 PM
 usmc1371 wrote:

If you're using MM Acryl paints, thin with MM Acryl thinner.  If you're using Tamiya paints, thin with Tamiya thinner.   Just use what the manufacturer recommends and it will work everytime.

Jesse

Although that is somewhat true Jesse, there are thinners that work as well as the manufacturer's brand and cost far less. Many people spray Tamiya just fine with Iso alcohol, ethyl alcohol and others and they are far less money than the overpriced manufacturer brands.

I can get a 16 oz bottle of Ethyl rubbing alcohol for a couple bucks which is less than what you will pay for a very small bottle of Tamiya thinner. Wink [;)]

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