Future Floor Wax - Name Change

i know this is a bit off topic, but it is future related. i did a general google serch for the stuff, and good 'ol amazon poped in and they had a perfect recomendation that goes good with future. i thought you guys might enjoy it too.

 http://www.amazon.com/Johnson-11182-27OZ-Future-Floor/dp/B000ARPH4C

namrednef wrote:

Thanks Ross.....didn't mean to hijack the thread.....just curious. So is it made from byproducts gained from 'cracking' petro molecules?....and maybe therefor  fairly cheap to make? I mean, we don't need Future on the commodities market!

The general chemical formula is: H₂C=CH-C(=O)— . This is not a structural formula, which is much more edifying, but I can't reproduce it here, due to limitations of the forum software, which is not set up for chemical discussions!

It is derived from "acrylic acid" (old name "propenoic acid"). This is an "organic chemistry" acid—not quite what most people think of as an acid. This, in its turn is derived from an alkene called propene, C₃H_{6 .}

Propene is, IIRC, a derivitive of hydrocarbon refinement, e.g., "cracking" of oil in a refinery.

Nothing derived from oil is inexpensive. If there are other sources of the stuff, I'm not enough of an organic chemist to know of them.

As far as the oil/energy market is concerned: I want every politician in the country world to try to live one week without energy. (Even the homeless are dependent on energy—waste energy lost by others.) Nobody can live without water. Nobody can live without air. Nobody can live without energy. But the idiot politicians can't figure that out—except the ones who are in control of the oil, coal, and natural gas.

<raspberry!!!>

Thanks Ross.....didn't mean to hijack the thread.....just curious. So is it made from byproducts gained from 'cracking' petro molecules?....and maybe therefor  fairly cheap to make? I mean, we don't need Future on the commodities market!

Acrylics are hydrocarbon derivitives.

They originate in chemical plants.…

Ross....where do acrylic compounds originate? I would guess that they are petroleum based........but other logic makes me think otherwise!?!

David, you must realize that most of the corporate culture doesn't have anything we would call a life outside of the corporation. These are the people who think scale models are children's toys, and any adult who does this (other than as time spent with their child) must be puerile.

Someone in that company probably does know. He or she looked at what proportion of their market base the entire scale modeling community would be—and decided it would not be profitable. BTW, their definition of "profitable" is something on the order of at least sixty percent. See? Greed and avarice do have limits—lower ones!

Ross......(et al).............they know......they must know! With all on the 'net about Future......well, you'd better go there anyway.....we need an insider to keep those prices down!

Screaminhelo wrote:

namrednef wrote:   RFLMHO.....Ross! Yeah.....  SCJohnson.....they need a barrage of e-mail............My Goodness.....I can't imagine anyone uses Future for anything other than modeling! SHHHHH!  Don't give them any ideas or they will end up packaging it in 1/2 oz. jars and selling them for 4$

Oh man! Gotta get my resume to SC Johnson pronto! "Ross A. Martinek, VP of Development, S.C. Johnson, Inc." here I come! And a salary of six figures, plus stock options!

(squared).

namrednef wrote:

RFLMHO.....Ross! Yeah.....  SCJohnson.....they need a barrage of e-mail............My Goodness.....I can't imagine anyone uses Future for anything other than modeling!

SHHHHH!  Don't give them any ideas or they will end up packaging it in 1/2 oz. jars and selling them for 4$

RFLMHO.....Ross! Yeah.....  SCJohnson.....they need a barrage of e-mail............My Goodness.....I can't imagine anyone uses Future for anything other than modeling!

Odd that your search didn't turn it up—doesn't seem that long ago that it was posted, here. But my sense of time has always been…geological.

Sorry you had to duplicate the efforts of others (I, too, contacted SCJ). I wish they'd sticky info like this!

CALLER: "Hello, SC Johnson. I'd like to talk to someone in your technical department about your clear acrylic coating that's used on scale models."

SCJ REP: "Sir, we have no such product. Our only clear acrylic coating is Pledge Premium Floor Treatment with Future Shine, formerly known as Future."

CALLER: "You mean people actually use it on floors! How strange!" 

Thanks, I wish I had known ahead of time.  It would have saved much grief in the grocery store.  I figured someone might have run into the problem already, but decided that SCJ would be the best source of the chemical data, and having done the research, I then decided to pass that little tid-bit on.  I searched the forums for FUTURE, checked the first page of the results, and started writing.

Sorry for the duplication.

BTW, SCJohnson has no idea what the stuff is being used for in the modelling world.

First, Welcome to the forums!

Second, in the immortal words of Rudyard Kipling:

"…you need not stop work to inform us,

we knew it three seasons before."

 But I suppose it bears repeating, with a disgusted glance in the direction of the ad wonk who thought that name up.

BTW: You have just been Kipl-ed.