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  • Member since
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  • From: Toronto, ON, CA
Decals breaking in pieces....
Posted by HowieH on Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:23 PM
Well, recently I've come at the finishing stages of my VF-0S zero fighter, and started to apply decals...
what I've found out (and absolutely frustrated by) is that, for no apparent reason, my decals just tend to break in pieces whenever I try to slide them off or even adjusting positions on the model...

This has never happened to me before on any of my models (if it did, VERY rarely), and yes I did make sure I let the decal sit in water long enough so that the actual decal slides off the paper easily, and did even make sure I store the decals in a relatively dark and dry place...When I adjust their positions on the model I made sure I wasn't forcing it, but sometimes (well, most of times actually) the decals just broke into pieces (usually starting from the edge)....

Anything that you think might've caused this problem??

Appreciate your help!

  • Member since
    August 2005
  • From: Sydney, Australia
Posted by Phil_H on Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:14 AM

There can be many reasons for this occurring - some completely out of your control , like how the kit was stored before you bought it.

Now that you know it's happening, if you haven't completed decalling your model, there are a few things you can do. MicroScale make a "liquid decal film" specifically to resolve the problem you have - just give your decals a coat (brush or airbrush) and let it dry before applying your decals as normal. Alternatively, some members here have reported success with clear sprays (I can't recall any specific brands though) over the decals before soaking.

Note that both of these solutions will create a continuous film across the whole decal sheet, so they will need to be closely trimmed before application.

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  • From: Toronto, ON, CA
Posted by HowieH on Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:04 AM
Cool! Thanks Phil! And do you know what kind of MicroSol product is used for this???
And can i spray/brush clear lacquer (since that's the only kind of clear coat I have) on top?
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    March 2007
Posted by spuds 1 on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:02 PM

I promised myself years ago I would make a Spit Vb with Ian Gleed decals.  Back then in the mid-80's I got hold of a "Micro Scale Decale" sheet 32-32 which had Gleed's decals.  Next was Hasegawa's 1/32 Spit Vb.  Then at least a 20 year gap due to family problems & now the moment has arrived to apply those 20 year old decals.  I tried a practice piece to see what would happen.  The "crumbles" happened, not good.  So, back to FSM forum for help.  There it was, spray on some clear & trim close.  With fingers crossed I carefully trimmed the decals as close as possible w/o spoiling the integrity of the decal.  Lots of patience needed here, cause it does take time & a sharp scissors.  Once done, I took low tack masking tape & doubled it over, stuck it to a decent piece of paper, then carefully placed several decals on the tape.  I spaced these deacls out & actually used several pieces of tape getting all the decals ready for the spray.  I used a new can of TAMIYA clear flat spray, TS-80.  Under a bright light I gently sprayed the decals checking carefully to insure a good coat, good coverage but no runs or too thick.  Yes, I recommend a couple test runs first to get the hang of it.  OK, yes it worked, it did take a lot of time for the decals to come loose of the backing sheet, I also used a lot of Micro-set & a generous amount of patience...I stress the patience part.  Many thanks for all your help with my questions, hope this will help others with their decal problems. 

Cheers.... Bill

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  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:46 AM

Alternatively, some members here have reported success with clear sprays (I can't recall any specific brands though) over the decals before soaking.

I used several different clears with varying degrees of success, but I swear by Testor's Decal Bonder now... Comes in a spray can same as hobby paint and creates a continous film over the sheet.  It's primary use is for making the carrier film for home-made decals on ink-jet printers, but it works on commercial ones as well...  Just be sure to let it dry, and make double-sure you don't get any on the back of the paper...

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Posted by spuds 1 on Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:53 AM

I've added Tester's Decal Bonder to my "needs list."  Many thanks Hans von Hammer, you guys are the best!!

Cheers...have a great weekend....

Bill

  • Member since
    June 2006
  • From: Patterson, CA
Posted by SoD Stitch on Wednesday, February 4, 2009 12:13 PM
 spuds 1 wrote:

I promised myself years ago I would make a Spit Vb with Ian Gleed decals.  Back then in the mid-80's I got hold of a "Micro Scale Decale" sheet 32-32 which had Gleed's decals.  Next was Hasegawa's 1/32 Spit Vb.  Then at least a 20 year gap due to family problems & now the moment has arrived to apply those 20 year old decals.  I tried a practice piece to see what would happen.  The "crumbles" happened, not good.  So, back to FSM forum for help.  There it was, spray on some clear & trim close.  With fingers crossed I carefully trimmed the decals as close as possible w/o spoiling the integrity of the decal.  Lots of patience needed here, cause it does take time & a sharp scissors.  Once done, I took low tack masking tape & doubled it over, stuck it to a decent piece of paper, then carefully placed several decals on the tape.  I spaced these deacls out & actually used several pieces of tape getting all the decals ready for the spray.  I used a new can of TAMIYA clear flat spray, TS-80.  Under a bright light I gently sprayed the decals checking carefully to insure a good coat, good coverage but no runs or too thick.  Yes, I recommend a couple test runs first to get the hang of it.  OK, yes it worked, it did take a lot of time for the decals to come loose of the backing sheet, I also used a lot of Micro-set & a generous amount of patience...I stress the patience part.  Many thanks for all your help with my questions, hope this will help others with their decal problems. 

Cheers.... Bill

I've done this, and it works pretty well, except you DO have to soak the decals for a long time; in my case, I had to soak them for a week.

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  • Member since
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  • From: Westerville, Ohio
Posted by Air Master Modeler on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:08 PM

I recently had some great results using Krylon Clear Matte Finish sprayed over some custom decals I made. I sprayed a few light mist coats then brushed it to make sure it was thin enouh to allow the decals to flex and conform to irregular surfaces and it even stood up to using MicroSet and Sol. The decals look like they came off a commercially done sheet.

I definately recommend Krylon Clear Matte Finish for decals!

Rand

30 years experience building plastic models.

WIP: Revell F-14B Tomcat, backdating to F-14A VF-32 1989 Gulf Of Sidra MiG-23 Killer "Gypsy 207".

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: phoenix
Posted by grandadjohn on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:37 PM
 Hans von Hammer wrote:

Alternatively, some members here have reported success with clear sprays (I can't recall any specific brands though) over the decals before soaking.

I used several different clears with varying degrees of success, but I swear by Testor's Decal Bonder now... Comes in a spray can same as hobby paint and creates a continous film over the sheet.  It's primary use is for making the carrier film for home-made decals on ink-jet printers, but it works on commercial ones as well...  Just be sure to let it dry, and make double-sure you don't get any on the back of the paper...

 

Just a small note, while messing around I found out that Testors Decal Bonder and Glosscote are the same thing

  • Member since
    June 2008
  • From: Iowa
Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:32 AM
Dunno about that... I've had Testor's Glosscoat eat decals in the past... 

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