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  • Member since
    February 2006
  • From: Boston
Silvering, Future, and White Paint
Posted by Wilbur Wright on Tuesday, December 1, 2009 5:21 PM

I'm quite experienced with Future however I have found that using it over pure white paint on my ship model of the Hermann Marwede that it noticably discolored the white paint.

I am now building a large model of the Revell QM2 which is almost 3 feet long and white. The most important decals are the red Cunard lettering. I really don't want to spray 6 feet of model with Future. I find that if I brush on the Future it (the discoloring) is even more noticable than spraying.

Any suggestions?  My bottle of future is about 15  years old. Could this be it? Does it indeed go bad or yellow in the bottle?

Thanks for any responses.

  • Member since
    January 2003
  • From: Peoples Socialist Democratic Republic of Illinois
Posted by Triarius on Tuesday, December 1, 2009 6:50 PM

Although Future is among the most stable of acrylic polymers, it will yellow over time, especially if exposed to ultraviolet radiation from any source. This includes the liquid in the bottle. It was never meant to be stable for fifteen years. So get a new bottle. Remember that it is now called "Pledge Premium Floor Finish with Future Shine." Yuck [yuck] Marketing wonks! Yuck [yuck]

The discoloration is more noticable when brushed because brushing produces a thicker film. 

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

  • Member since
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  • From: Sydney, Australia
Posted by Phil_H on Wednesday, December 2, 2009 6:50 AM

Hey Wilbur,

It might sound a silly question but why not start with gloss white and skip the Future?

 

  • Member since
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  • From: Peoples Socialist Democratic Republic of Illinois
Posted by Triarius on Wednesday, December 2, 2009 9:01 AM

To answer your question, Phil, gloss whites (and yellows, oranges, etc.) have even less hide than flat whites. In general, a flat paint will have a higher hide value than the same color in gloss. In white, this is caused by use of a different white pigment, a higher pigment load, and the use of "flatting agents"—pigments that increase hide as well as reduce gloss. In the case of other colors, the primary cause of higher hide is the use of a higher pigment load and flatting agents.

There is a limit to the amount of pigment that can be put into a gloss paint before the pigment load affects the gloss of the cured film. 

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

  • Member since
    August 2005
  • From: Sydney, Australia
Posted by Phil_H on Wednesday, December 2, 2009 9:12 AM
Certainly, but you can also apply a few layers of flat white and then top coat with gloss white to achieve the same effect as applying a coat of Future.
  • Member since
    January 2003
  • From: Peoples Socialist Democratic Republic of Illinois
Posted by Triarius on Wednesday, December 2, 2009 9:20 AM

Ah! I misunderstood your point. That is, indeed, what I usually do with white. Smile [:)]

I also undercoat white with silver, which reduces the number of coats of flat white needed, considerably. 

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

  • Member since
    February 2006
  • From: Boston
Posted by Wilbur Wright on Wednesday, December 2, 2009 7:58 PM
Thanks Ross, I was hoping you would be the one to chime in.  In all the years I have only used about two inches in that bottle. Time for a new bottle.
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